August 2013 Pilot Discussion

[traderjake]

It will definitely not be DOH, and I will most likely lose quite a few years of seniority (4-5).

You mean quite a few years of longevity.

Seniority is your position on a seniority list.

 

[EastUS1]

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Just testing? Really? I'd expect far less of a timid soul from any real "spartan" snap. 🙂 Best wishes for a fine Fourth for you and yours,...and let none of us here ever forget just what that holiday's actually about.

PS: Where's the latest "Army" of leonidas update?...and naturally; the neverending, but heart-wrenching/terrifying-to-all-easties/"T-minus" countdown(s) to unquestionable nic implementation? 😉

 

[EastUS1]

Seniority is your position on a seniority list.

Umm..Sure thing jake. Insanity's equally arguable as being just your room number while a patient in any asylum. I've some clinical curiosity here though, so feel free to fully define your bizarre notions/definitions of whatever has constituted "seniority" in all of human history? 🙂

Hint: alpo's most recent, professionally degrading and unarguably nothing more than twisted, politically self-serving and ever-changing little fantasies, hardly constitute "all of human history"...So....? Have at it jake. We could all likely use a good laugh. 🙂

"But, But...The last four arbitrations!" = Who cares? Perhaps any/all deeply profound students of philosophy should nowadays compare only the last four political upheavals/social belches/farts/etc in Egypt to the actual civilization that built the pyramids, as somehow and entirely magically having equal value? 🙂 Call me crazy here, but I can't even imagine any future that contains 5,000 year old monuments to arab spring...much less alpo...and , call it a wild guess; not even St. Nic! 😉

 

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Just Testing? Really? I'd expect less of a timid soul from any "spartan" snap. 🙂 Best wishes for a fine Fourth for you and yours,...and let none of us here ever forget just what that holiday's actually about.

I think we missed this place more than we thought.

Happy 4th to you as well. Nice thing about Phoenix is we just set the fireworks up and run. No matches required when it's 119 degrees.

Regards,
Snap Spartan or is it Spartan Snap? ;-)

 

[EastUS1]

Happy 4th to you as well. Nice thing about Phoenix is we just set the fireworks up and run. No matches required when it's 119 degrees.

Fair enough,....I can see where having virtually nothing that lives, and can actually thus burn, would benefit fireworks, and yeah; it's good to have a place to toss "Nyaah, Nyaahs" about and just rant/vent/etc. 🙂 This nic nonsense will run it's insane course and end someday, and none will actually perish from it. 😉

"Snap Spartan or is it Spartan Snap? ;-)" Your call. At least we can properly laugh at ourselves. 🙂

 

[767jetz]

You mean quite a few years of longevity.

Seniority is your position on a seniority list.

You are correct. I stand corrected.

 

[EastUS1]

You are correct. I stand corrected.

Hey...umm..."jetz"...(Seriously: How "cute" is "jetz"?) 🙂 Perhaps you should hold out for an arbitration that places you below those on the Cont list that have 17 years less worked than even yourself, (said 17 years less than your pitiful self would be hard to even imagine as at all possible though) and thus; heroically champion that as proof-positive of yours and alpo's finest enlightenment? Don't embarrass yourself now by merely losing 4-5 years! Where's the fun in just that!? Stand your noble ground for alpo's "processes" and ethical "principles". Show us all how it's properly done son. 🙂 Umm....What's that you say?: "It is not a negotiation at this point." Really? Oh Well...Where's the harm in that? After all, isn't your "Best of All Possible Mergers" proceeding perfectly and smoothly according to alpo's grand plan, as you had so long bragged would be the case? 😉

Whatever happened to all that unbridled abundance of infantile arrogance you sported about for so long? 😉

Grow up son, (who knows?...you might be doing so as we speak) and well.....Rotsa' ruck...SUCKER! 🙂

 

[Claxon]

Hey...umm..."jetz" 🙂 Perhaps you should hold out for an arbitration that places you below those on the Cont list that have 17 years less worked than even yourself, and heroicially champion that as proof-positive of yours and alpo's finest enlightenment? Don't embarrass yourself now by merely losing 4-5 years! Where's the fun in just that!? Stand your noble ground for alpo's "processes" and ethical "principles". Show us all how it's properly done son. 🙂

“We cannot predict what the Continental Committee’s proposal will be,
but we want to be clear that we do not make this proposal to set the far
end of a bracket, expecting that the Board will find some compromise
between what it sees as two competing extremes. Although we are
mindful of George Nicolau’s often‐cited observation that ‘the objective [in
an ISL proceeding] is to make the integration fair and equitable [and] . . .
the proposals advanced by those in contest rarely meet that standard. . .’
Federal Express‐Flying Tigers at 28 (Nicolau 1990), we do not believe that
that approach serves the interests of the pilots this Committee and its
lawyers represent. Years spent observing this process have convinced us
that approaching SLI hearings in this way effectively removes the
Committee(s) that adopt the approach from meaningfully shaping the end
result. While our task is to be advocates, we believe we can best serve the
United pilots’ interests by constructive engagement with the Board rather
than posturing.”
‐ UAL Merger Committee Pre‐Hearing Statement

https://ual.alpa.org/LinkClick.aspx?fileticket=K9inY1jXpEc=&tabid=7813&mid=22870

 

[EastUS1]

Call me crazy here, but I can't even imagine any future that contains 5,000 year old monuments to arab spring...much less alpo...and , call it a wild guess; not even St. Nic! 😉

Wow! That already garnered a "minus vote"? Sigh! OK...My bad....I should've known many of the most devout "spartans", "knights" and naturally "dire wolves" would/could even possibly ever, actually imagine themselves, whilst imagining all their other Fantasyland nonsense, to be "worthy' of enduring monuments in the far-distant future! 🙂 Please excuse any improper affront to any/all true immortals of civilization's greatest ever. My sincere apology here. In my defense: It's sometimes difficult to fully accept the incredible reality of the kinds of "people" one deals with at times. 🙂

Umm...."youse" guys would make more points if you could at least build a pyramid, just sayin'....🙂

 

[traderjake]

I bet the last few days have been hell for you going through smiley face deprivation.

 

[EastUS1]

I bet the last few days have been hell for you going through smiley face deprivation.

Sorry jake. While troubled adolescents have been a personal priority in practice....I don't think I can help you. Were you a patient; First step would be to have you addressing your fears/concerns, and you've nothing to apparently offer here, since you wholly disregard and are unable to defend any supposed "weight" within even you own "arguments". Abused 15 year olds often do better than you do with that, and are less victims of seeming entombment in Fantasyland "Lt. Hardy", and you're a supposed "adult", alleged "pilot" and thus = fair game.

Have a smiley-face on me, and I hope it cheers or inspires you to come out of your shell. 🙂 Frustration/anger/etc offer no prophylactic against personal suffering. Let it out. Everyone learns to express themselves when they're finally ready. Umm...Got ANYTHING in the way of even marginally coherent argument(s) to offer?

Did "all of human history" so easilly short-circuit your supposed "mind"? Aww..have another smiley-face then. 🙂 No one's shooting at you. You're not escaping an abusive home. You're not some poor kid on the streets. This is lightweight stuff..."Lt Hardy", my "hero". 🙂 Heck! You should ask the "army" of leo-whatever to make you an honorary "spartan". You're cut from the same cloth. 🙂

 

[EastUS1]

Although we are mindful of George Nicolau....

Golly! Now WHY would any of alpo's finest EVER be even the least bit "mindfull" of that, once strong (Mighty 8th) and earlier, actually sane man's most recent insanity? One must indeed "wonder". 🙂 Umm...Could it just "possibly" be the infamous, clinically insane, nic "award" for services never rendered? 😉

Sigh!..yet more "minus votes" from presumed "spartans". Seriously: What IS it with you pathetic "people"?....Just too inept/stupid/whatever to actually engage? 🙂 OK. I'm bored. A fine evening to All. 🙂

 

[nic4us]

Golly! Now WHY would any of alpo's finest EVER be even the least bit "mindfull" of that, once strong (Mighty 8th) and actually sane man's most recent insanity? One must indeed "wonder". 🙂 Umm...Could it just "possibly" be the infamous, clinically insane, nic "award" for services never rendered? 😉

They were quoting from the FedEx v. Flying Tigers merger, which was also arbitrated by Nicolau. Oh, and yes it went with an equipment and status ratio.

Here is the crazy thing East. If uscaba goes into an AMR/LCC integration with anything other than the Nic....well they are in for the beotch slapping of their short and miserable lifetime.

What are they going to propose to an arbitration panel? That arbitrated results from one of if not the most revered arbitrator are nothing more than internal disputes that can be negotiated away with the employer by simply scabbing for a cost neutral contract?


What am I talking about uscaba will be long gone before we ever get to seniority I tegration.

 

[EastUS1]

Golly! Now WHY would any of alpo's finest EVER be even the least bit "mindfull" of that...?

They were quoting from the FedEx v. Flying Tigers merger, which was also arbitrated by Nicolau.

Your supposed "point", long term adversary on these boards is umm..WHAT? 🙂 WHY should/would, even possibly, be there ANYWHERE even the slightest concern for the whims of Mr. Nic, or the glories of arbitration?...."Although we are
mindful of George Nicolau"...? Yeah, couldn't be anything to do with his "award" here...Right? 🙂 After all: Anyone/Everyone/Anywhere seeks identical results in their arbitrations/mergers/etc....Right? 😉 You AWA "spartans" have a most compelling argument to offer. I'm astonished that ANY pilot group ANYWHERE doesn't easilly embrace the idea of having their coworkers of many years, why, heck, even 17 or so, placed behind brand-spanking newhires of ANY other group.....Serously: HOW could anyone, anywhere "reasonably" object to THAT? 🙂 Thanks for the hearty and dependable chuckles. 🙂

" with anything other than the Nic....well they are in for the beotch slapping of their short and miserable lifetime." Umm..."Short and miserable lifetime"..? 🙂 What're you "spartans" gonna' do? = Kill 'em if they don't buy your BS? SURE...You pathetic little pansies won't even accept recreational flying wagers. 🙂 Your own "rep" has nothing, as a man, to offer other than he'll "heroically"..."let the courts do" his "talking" for him. Face it = You're just Jokes. 😉


Earnest notion though nic4us = I hope all you and yours are well for the celebration of the Nation's birth this 4th. 🙂 By way of some actual perspective? Tomorrow, 150 years ago, as the late Margaret Mitchell so well put it: "Two Nations came to death grips" on the Fields of Gettysburg...and we could, all of us, have MUCH bigger "problems" this night, save for fate.

 

[CaptChill]

as the late Margaret Mitchell so well put it: "Two Nations came to death grips" on the Fields of Gettysburg...and we could, all of us, have MUCH bigger "problems" this night, save for fate".

AMEN... East!