August 2013 Pilot Discussion

[Phoenix]

Really! Is that what you are going to hang your hat on that judge Silver has determined that usapa has a LUP?

Oh OK!

I think you are going to be very disappointed if that is all you have.

Another shining example of integrity!

First of all Silver never said she would determine if USAPA has an LUP as a precondition to USAPA taking any action. You have never provided any statement from Silver stipulating a suspense for an LUP. Never. You cant even back up your own premise. But you call people liars and when you are proven wrong you act like an ostrich with your head in the sand. You repeatedly choose wilful ignorance and when given the opportunity to prove enlightenment you double down instead.

I don't believe you were ever a pilot. You are just another instigator like UHaul with an agenda to stir up strife among pilots. I jump seat all the time with West pilots and everyone of them has moved on and has put the strife behind them. You are just a fake poser.

 

[cleardirect]

Another shining example of integrity!

First of all Silver never said she would determine if USAPA has an LUP as a precondition to USAPA taking any action. You have never provided any statement from Silver stipulating a suspense for an LUP. Never. You cant even back up your own premise. But you call people liars and when you are proven wrong you act like an ostrich with your head in the sand. You repeatedly choose wilful ignorance and when given the opportunity to prove enlightenment you double down instead.

I don't believe you were ever a pilot. You are just another instigator like UHaul with an agenda to stir up strife among pilots. I jump seat all the time with West pilots and everyone of them has moved on and has put the strife behind them. You are just a fake poser.

Would you keep your BS stat,nets consistent? I know you are used to dealing with eastie that that don't read or understand but try.

You original statement was:


Phoenix, on 03 July 2013 - 12:35 PM, said:

She told Marty that USAPA has an acceptable LUP, in open court. Even if she had not, an LUP requirement was superfluous anyway since she never provided a suspense.



Isn't that what you told Kirby already!? And what did he say to such speculation...? "No."
BS flag.

My reply.

Post the transcripts that judge Silver states usapa has an acceptable LUP.

A judges ruling is not superfluous. Only in usapa world would one think that.

Kirby can say anything he wants in a crew news. He has as much credibility as usapa when it comes to telling the truth. The ONLY thing that matters is what the court says. Judge Silver said usapa has to have an LUP. She has not said usapa has one.

Post the transcript. It is not there so once again you lie.




Now you have changed your position and trying to us that judge Silver never determined that Usapa had an acceptable LUP. Well smart guy if as you say judge Silver was not going to decide if us APA had an LUP who was?

Your stat,want was that judge Sivel has said usapa had an acceptable LUP. I asked you to post the transcript. Your little feeble attempt failed. Now you are back pedaling. No matter how hard you try the requirement for usapa to have anLUP to change the Nicolau still stands. Usapa does not have an LUP never did.

 

[Phoenix]

You original statement was:


Phoenix, on 03 July 2013 - 12:35 PM, said:

She told Marty that USAPA has an acceptable LUP, in open court. .....

Integrity. You are aren't even a good poser. Shame on you. Come out of the closet already. It's Ok. Not everyone has an ATP. There's no shame in an MBA.

"The LUP is the capstone" ~ Marty

"the legitimate union purpose can be in representing everyone which would also be the East Pilots and coming up with a combination, right?" ~ Judge Silver

 

[Claxon]

Would you keep your BS stat,nets consistent? I know you are used to dealing with eastie that that don't read or understand but try.

You original statement was:


Phoenix, on 03 July 2013 - 12:35 PM, said:

She told Marty that USAPA has an acceptable LUP, in open court. Even if she had not, an LUP requirement was superfluous anyway since she never provided a suspense.



Isn't that what you told Kirby already!? And what did he say to such speculation...? "No."
BS flag.

My reply.

Post the transcripts that judge Silver states usapa has an acceptable LUP.

A judges ruling is not superfluous. Only in usapa world would one think that.

Kirby can say anything he wants in a crew news. He has as much credibility as usapa when it comes to telling the truth. The ONLY thing that matters is what the court says. Judge Silver said usapa has to have an LUP. She has not said usapa has one.

Post the transcript. It is not there so once again you lie.




Now you have changed your position and trying to us that judge Silver never determined that Usapa had an acceptable LUP. Well smart guy if as you say judge Silver was not going to decide if us APA had an LUP who was?

Your stat,want was that judge Sivel has said usapa had an acceptable LUP. I asked you to post the transcript. Your little feeble attempt failed. Now you are back pedaling. No matter how hard you try the requirement for usapa to have anLUP to change the Nicolau still stands. Usapa does not have an LUP never did.

Lectures, with falsehoods interspersed with questions. "NO"

 

[nycbusdriver]

For all fellow bus drivers out there.

http://www.spiegel.d...e-a-639298.html

Eye opening. Read the whole five articles. Ocean liners may come back into style. Or, at least control cables.

Even the techno-nerds (I use that term with a modicum of respect, really) are admitting that the situation is way beyond human capability to understand it. Even the nerds can't understand some incidences after weeks of study, but pilots have just a few seconds to sort it out...if they even can.

I have always maintained that, bottom line: The pilot of a fly-by-wire aircraft is NEVER really in control of the machine. It is a technical and physical impossibility. At best, he/she makes suggestions.

Why is that so? The pervasive worship of mammon.

 

[EastUS1]

Why is that so? The pervasive worship of mammon.

Indeed. Far too much money involved for any at "the top" to give a rat's arse about lives lost. Heck! That's what insurance coverage is all about!...Not to mention kickbacks for purshasing such euro-trash-POS, versus Boeings. Hmmm...Why is it that Wolf-boy's retired in France, I "wonder"...? 😉

 

[A320 Driver]

For all fellow bus drivers out there.

http://www.spiegel.d...e-a-639298.html

Eye opening. Read the whole five articles. Ocean liners may come back into style. Or, at least control cables.

Even the techno-nerds (I use that term with a modicum of respect, really) are admitting that the situation is way beyond human capability to understand it. Even the nerds can't understand some incidences after weeks of study, but pilots have just a few seconds to sort it out...if they even can.

I have always maintained that, bottom line: The pilot of a fly-by-wire aircraft is NEVER really in control of the machine. It is a technical and physical impossibility. At best, he/she makes suggestions.

Why is that so? The pervasive worship of mammon.

I hope you've had the good sense to bid off the bus and back onto the Boeing. No??? Why not? The pervasive worship of mammon probably.

 

[nycbusdriver]

Indeed. Far too much money involved for any at "the top" to give a rat's arse about lives lost. Heck! That's what insurance coverage is all about!...Not to mention kickbacks for purshasing such euro-trash-POS, versus Boeings. Hmmm...Why is it that Wolf-boy's retired in France, I "wonder"...? 😉

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't the latest generation of Boeing airplanes also fly-by-wire? These types of incidents will inevitably happen to modern Boeings, also, as they "catch up" in numbers and age to the FBW Airbuses out there.

If it's FBW then, by design, the pilot is never really in control of maneuvering about the 3 axes, nor can he/she ever assume that control by any means.

 

[nic4us]

Now that was just too funny!

The little lawyer quoting the NMB. Again, too funny!

Here is clue for you uscaba supporters.

Every body agrees...Silver, Wake, the 9th, Seigel, and yes even your ex-champion union busting, or in this case scab union creating little lawyer Seeham.

Usapa inherits the Nic, which BTW is the only accepted system seniority list covering all LCC pilots.

 

[nic4us]

Forgot to mention...when the NMB decertifies uscaba, take a wild guess who is responsible for enforcement of OUR contract.

 

[cactusboy53]

The fact is the NMB was speaking of re opening an existing agreement, ie contract.
The fact the west div pilots were not savvy enough to get equal pay for the east div.which would have gotten you a JCBA possibly. You didn't even get a deal that the NMB refers to.
That was not very smart. It backfired on you. Now you are entering another merger without the first consummated. Oh well, Marty gave you bad advice.
I hear Marty is up on Lake Roosevelt this weekend. Having a fine time with your Titanium donations.

WOW. That's a lot of incorrect & empty historic perspective. I hope you are prepared for all possibilities, least you go (further) off the deep end. How Marty spends his WELL EARNED monies is just fine by me. How do you suppose Seham has spend the money that USAPA THREW at him (It's a SLAM DUNK!!).

 

[3dtv]

Now that was just too funny!

The little lawyer quoting the NMB. Again, too funny!

Here is clue for you uscaba supporters.

Every body agrees...Silver, Wake, the 9th, Seigel, and yes even your ex-champion union busting, or in this case scab union creating little lawyer Seeham.

Usapa inherits the Nic, which BTW is the only accepted system seniority list covering all LCC pilots.

Just where did Silver or anyone say USAPA inherits the NIC? That's right, NOWHERE. and, it is not an accepted seniority list or you would be able to bid east. You are such an idiot it is sad.

 

[fr8tmastr]

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't the latest generation of Boeing airplanes also fly-by-wire? These types of incidents will inevitably happen to modern Boeings, also, as they "catch up" in numbers and age to the FBW Airbuses out there.

If it's FBW then, by design, the pilot is never really in control of maneuvering about the 3 axes, nor can he/she ever assume that control by any means.

It's not the fly by wire that is the problem in the article, it comes down to the interface between the aircraft and the pilot. One company builds aircraft that dont think they need pilots, as computers are the end all beat all. The other company still gives the pilot the ability to still fly the AC. AF 447 is a perfect example of this. The system failed causing all sorts of problems for the crew. For various reasons but mostly the pilot aircraft interface, this flight resulted in tragedy. But this manufacturer has never had an issue, its always the pilots fault. Yea I know this aircraft is more comfortable eating dinner... but that's not what we are talking about.

 

[nic4us]

Just where did Silver or anyone say USAPA inherits the NIC? That's right, NOWHERE. and, it is not an accepted seniority list or you would be able to bid east. You are such an idiot it is sad.

Wake said it during Addington I.

silver said it during the company DJ, but noted that it was not a problem because the Ta allowed for negotiated change ( of course the company ain't about to touch the scab seniority theft plan, after first telling you in writing during the merger that DOH won't fly, and then officially accepting, again in writing, the Nic list)

The 9th said it during Addington.

seigel said it during the company dj, and then again the AOL DJ.

Seeham failed to mention it but it was obvious he knew it when he was trying to sell you morons on the benefits trading a "cost neutral contract" in exchange for labor peace (i.e. We can negotiate a change to the contracts we will inherit by undercutting West pay and benefits to steal their seniority).

Let's see now, who else said a successor union inherits the former bargaining agents contract...the Supreme Court, the NMB, and just about every pro West poster on this board for the last 7 years...but you stupid jack wagons are just to dense to listen.

So...what it all boils down to is the the Nic will be used to integrate the LCC and AMR pilots in the current merger if it makes it to completion.

 

[Phoenix]

More dreams and lectures interrupted by "No.".


"No." ~ Kirby

4. It is the intent of the Parties that, as of the Effective Date, the terms and conditions of employment for pilots employed by New American Airlines and US Airways will be set by the MTA (as defined in Paragraph 1(a)) and in accordance with the process specified herein. The Parties further understand, however, that it will take some period of time for those terms to be implemented. Accordingly, except for those terms specifically identified in Paragraph 3, the Parties agree that each term of the MTA shall be applicable to all US Airways pilots at the earliest practicable time for each such term, and such terms, when applicable, shall govern and displace any conflicting or wholly or partially inconsistent provision of the former US Airways pilot agreements or the [font='Arial][size=3]status quo [/size][/font][font='Arial']arising thereunder. Once the MTA has been fully implemented, it shall fully displace and render a nullity any prior collective bargaining agreements applicable to US Airways pilots and any [/font][font='Arial][size=3]status quo [/size][/font][font='Arial']arising thereunder. [/font]


10.....

h. US Airways agrees that neither this Memorandum nor the JCBA shall provide a basis for changing the seniority lists currently in effect at US Airways other than through the process set forth in this Paragraph 10.