August 2013 Pilot Discussion

[Piedmont1984]

Then there is the thing that you never saw coming........

As well as unintended consequences, lights at the end of the tunnel, shoes dropping, etc.

 

[Pi brat]

Maybe they should go back to hiding this sort of stuff.

And AOL puts this out:

"To all of the contributors to the West Pilot legal effort: thank you for getting us this far. Have a great week."

Getting us[you] this far? Where are you? Back at 2007.

You don't have my permission to use my name you lying westie.

 

[Pi brat]

As well as unintended consequences, lights at the end of the tunnel, shoes dropping, etc.

Done deals, all but over..........

Silver seems to favor the west to me, but she has distilled the DFR to one question-did USAPA fail it's DFR by not including the Nic in the MOU. How can she then rule against them when she has told Marty in court that she can't force the Nic? I have no idea what she will rule, she is always full of surprises.

 

[Piedmont1984]

Done deals, all but over..........

Silver seems to favor the west to me, but she has distilled the DFR to one question-did USAPA fail it's DFR by not including the Nic in the MOU. How can she then rule against them when she has told Marty in court that she can't force the Nic? I have no idea what she will rule, she is always full of surprises.

Box of chocolates -🙂

 

[Pi brat]

Box of chocolates - 🙂

Most appropriate!

 

[CallawayGolf]

Done deals, all but over..........

Silver seems to favor the west to me, but she has distilled the DFR to one question-did USAPA fail it's DFR by not including the Nic in the MOU. How can she then rule against them when she has told Marty in court that she can't force the Nic? I have no idea what she will rule, she is always full of surprises.

Agreed; Silver is hard-nosed on the bench, but she twists and turns unpredictably and seems to contradict to her own words as she goes along. On one hand she says USAPA is on dangerous ground for seeking to overturn an arbitration award, and then she says USAPA doesn't have to adopt the NIC. Or she says that the Company's claim is ripe giving her full jurisdiction to provide judicial relief from their Hobson's choice, and then says she wishes she could have gone farther to provide relief - while providing no actual relief at all because she is constrained by the Ninth who only ruled on ripeness rather than the merits. Then she asks what happens to the west claim regarding the MOU and a DFR if the merger fails; the west attorney tells her they would have no basis to make a claim under that scenario, but then she declares the matter to be ripe and pushes forward despite the DOJ lawsuit that may preclude the merger possibility. I can't even begin to follow her, but if I had to guess, I would take the most likely outcome gleaned from what she says and then figure her next statement will be the opposite of what logic would dictate. If that's true, then USAPA getting a smack-down in her courtroom prior to a final ruling might prove to be good news for the east, until another appeal that is.

 

[lynyrdskynyrd]

I've been to Judge Silver's court room a few times now. Not that I have a large base of legal knowledge to draw from, or even a base at all for that matter, but I now know this much. What she will do, no one knows. No one really knows if the merger will go or not. No one knows how the company's DJ appeal will go. Reading to much into anything right now seems like a waste of time.

 

[Res Judicata]

And AOL puts this out:

"To all of the contributors to the West Pilot legal effort: thank you for getting us this far. Have a great week."

Getting us[you] this far? Where are you? Back at 2007.

You don't have my permission to use my name you lying westie.

Where are you? 1975? The last time USAir East paid those pathetic loa93 rates?

 

[dca319]

Then there is the thing that you never saw coming........

USAPAs losing streak is hard to miss.

 

[767one]

Agreed; Silver is hard-nosed on the bench, but she twists and turns unpredictably and seems to contradict to her own words as she goes along. On one hand she says USAPA is on dangerous ground for seeking to overturn an arbitration award, and then she says USAPA doesn't have to adopt the NIC. Or she says that the Company's claim is ripe giving her full jurisdiction to provide judicial relief from their Hobson's choice, and then says she wishes she could have gone farther to provide relief - while providing no actual relief at all because she is constrained by the Ninth who only ruled on ripeness rather than the merits. Then she asks what happens to the west claim regarding the MOU and a DFR if the merger fails; the west attorney tells her they would have no basis to make a claim under that scenario, but then she declares the matter to be ripe and pushes forward despite the DOJ lawsuit that may preclude the merger possibility. I can't even begin to follow her, but if I had to guess, I would take the most likely outcome gleaned from what she says and then figure her next statement will be the opposite of what logic would dictate. If that's true, then USAPA getting a smack-down in her courtroom prior to a final ruling might prove to be good news for the east, until another appeal that is.

Perhaps Silver is getting ready to run for some political job and/or maybe suffers from multiple personality disorder....could just be hot flashes. I can remember some flight attendants telling me it was hot, then cold, then hot AND cold all in the same sentence!

Regards,

Bob

 

[767one]

I've been to Judge Silver's court room a few times now. Not that I have a large base of legal knowledge to draw from, or even a base at all for that matter, but I now know this much. What she will do, no one knows. No one really knows if the merger will go or not. No one knows how the company's DJ appeal will go. Reading to much into anything right now seems like a waste of time.

yep,

No sense getting all worked up for nothing.

 

[Hate2fly]

I don't think any east pilot thinks we will prevail in Arizona. Silver will take care of the west just like Wake. I can't wait to see the creative writing session in late October. As soon as she issues her advisory opinion we fly west to the 9th again.

Hate

 

[nic4us]

Send more $$$(conveniently left out!) You did not vote for DOH. You did not vote for NIC. You voted for the MOU and what it says. Nothing more, nothing less. Read it!

I did read it, it implies the Nic will be integrated with the AMR list in an MB mandated SLI.

Seems 98% of the eligible West voters read the same thing.

 

[nycbusdriver]

And USAPA sent an email out about before anybody on here could break the news. What's up with that? They are supposed to hide that kind of stuff. ;-)

Must have an intern working in the office today. Supreme goof!

 

[nycbusdriver]

Where are you? 1975? The last time USAir East paid those pathetic loa93 rates?

http://web.mit.edu/airlinedata/www/2010%2012%20Month%20Documents/Employees%20and%20Compensation/Pilots/Average%20Annual%20Wages%20and%20Salaries%20-%20PILOT%20AND%20CO-PILOT%20PERSONNEL.htm

You have difficulty with facts. The FBI could prove it, I suppose.