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WRONG Dude!! I have NO problem charging for a Coke! And..are you reading this..I get NO Complaints from Pax's NONE, ZILCH! When all the other airlines see what we make selling drinks I won't be surprised if they start selling them as well!!
I’m glad to hear the Kettles aren’t taking out their frustration with being nickel and dimed to death on front line employees.

Hopefully, they will have forgotten about Tempe’s stupid ancillary fees when it’s time again to go visit Gramma in about a year.
 
Nice customer friendly attitude FA88. If all your colleagues felt the way you did, it wouldn't matter because there wouldn't be any customers and you wouldn't have a job.

That said, I think the only way US will be able to keep ala carte pricing to the extent that they have is to lower fares to the point where people will buy tickets. What few elites appear to be left are being upgraded with more regularity since their ranks have apparently declined significantly, and the rest of the customer base just doesn't know better.

Price and value go hand in hand. If you can pay roughly the same fare and NOT be nickel and dimed, I think that's where people will go.

US still suffers from the delusion that the "hybrid" carrier concept will work. It may--for Airtran and those who set proper expectations from their customers and then meet or exceed those expectations. US is trying to be something its not, and they manage to disappoint a good number of customers in the process.

At some point, if they want to be a true LCC, they should either stop calling First class as such because it is not in a product sense, and just call it the big front seat, like Spirit and those.

If you're going to do something, do it right, or don't do it at all.

US has (or had) alot going for it--the best front line employees, a fantastic route network, a competitive product, and at one time they actually listened to their customers. Customer Service aimed at fixing problems, not making the customer complaints go away with vouchers.

So while it may be true that ALL airlines are going to have problems soon, I think US is going to be more vulnerable than the rest.

Happy Thanksgiving all....

I give GREAT customer Service...I think... since I recieved 4 A&B coupons in the last 2 weeks! And on the subject...We had 9 sand...7 Salads..10 Snack boxes and only sold 2 SAND'S..just 2...!!
 
The next time you fly a transcon on CO in F, try the osso bucco, after the shrimp appetizer and salad...it's really good, but save room for the ice cream sundae.
On a US transcon in F you might enjoy the roast pork loin w/port sauce, grilled red peppers and fingerling potatoes. For dessert the german choclate pie is to die for. The blackened cod is excellent, too. (although I have a sneaking suspicion you don't do fish 😉 ) Of course, you will have to forgo the shrimp apetizer and suffer the indignity of plastic party cups.

HOWEVER with the money you save ($403) on BUF-SFO,for example--$942 walk up FC on CO BUF-EWR-SFO vs $539 walk up FC on US BUF-PHL-SFO, you could take yourself AND your entire crew to "The Slanted Door" at the Embarcadero for champagne (in REAL glassware) and raw oyster appetizers!

Bon appetit!
 
On a US transcon in F you might enjoy the roast pork loin w/port sauce, grilled red peppers and fingerling potatoes. For dessert the german choclate pie is to die for.

What US transcon serves that? Am I misreading that? I have NEVER seen that on an east or west transcon. I have not seen "pie" for over a year. Brownies and cookies only.

What is really messed up is if they are to start cutting back on food AND the agents are NOT allowed to make PAs that there is even LESS food to offer our already "disgruntled" passengers. Where do you think this will ultimately lead to???

Crappy food aside, transcon flights ALWAYS sell out 3/4 through the cabin (or less sometimes). And these people are annoyed when we tell them there's nothing left. As we all know they think we are their keepers and that we have "some nerve" to not have more food. :blink:
 
Why should a first class passenger have to "purchase" a meal? Either they paid enough for the flight to justify a snack when one is offered in coach or they bought enough prior tickets to get the upgrade. Either way they should be given one. It's WELL over a year since the question was brought up during a "crew news session in CLT". The f/a asking the question was told by Ms. Shamblin to only make the PA for sales in coach. He said you can't do a cabin specific announcement on the 757, 767, 737 or the E190. It's BS. Doug said he didn't know anything about it but agreed that if there is time to sell in coach there is time to give a snack of some sort other than the basket in first. The whole BOB program is flawed from top to bottom. While most often the count is wrong I have seen a few f/a's eat their way through a tray of meals transcon. Honey some f/a's can EAT. Hey US....GET IT TOGETHER. It's NOT the f/a's Doug DID say he knew he'd hear about this again later. He was right.
 
What US transcon serves that? Am I misreading that? I have NEVER seen that on an east or west transcon. I have not seen "pie" for over a year. Brownies and cookies only.

What is really messed up is if they are to start cutting back on food AND the agents are NOT allowed to make PAs that there is even LESS food to offer our already "disgruntled" passengers. Where do you think this will ultimately lead to???

Crappy food aside, transcon flights ALWAYS sell out 3/4 through the cabin (or less sometimes). And these people are annoyed when we tell them there's nothing left. As we all know they think we are their keepers and that we have "some nerve" to not have more food. :blink:

We've been serving that menu for a while. It's pretty good too. We change the desserts around though. I just served that meal 2 days ago (SFO-CLT) and we had lemon pie with sliced almonds on top.

Yum, yum. :up:
 
What US transcon serves that? Am I misreading that? I have NEVER seen that on an east or west transcon. I have not seen "pie" for over a year. Brownies and cookies only.

What is really messed up is if they are to start cutting back on food AND the agents are NOT allowed to make PAs that there is even LESS food to offer our already "disgruntled" passengers. Where do you think this will ultimately lead to???

Crappy food aside, transcon flights ALWAYS sell out 3/4 through the cabin (or less sometimes). And these people are annoyed when we tell them there's nothing left. As we all know they think we are their keepers and that we have "some nerve" to not have more food. :blink:

Yes!! I have been serving the Pork Loin W/Port wine sauce or Chicken Breast with a Marsala Sauce and Mashed Potatoes! Airlines are a Mode of Transportation NOT flying Resturants!! We get you from point A to point B in a fraction of the time it would take you to drive!! Period!!
 
Yes!! I have been serving the Pork Loin W/Port wine sauce or Chicken Breast with a Marsala Sauce and Mashed Potatoes! Airlines are a Mode of Transportation NOT flying Resturants!! We get you from point A to point B in a fraction of the time it would take you to drive!! Period!!

My, my, bite my head off why don't you? Is that what you tell our customers? Nice attitude!

BTW, I AM an active FA and I guess I am just working the "earlier" flights that do NOT offer that. I've been serving the BBQ chicken sandwiches since the summer. Talk about tasty!! The past few weeks I have flown CLT/PHX/CLT, CLT/LAX/CLT, and CLT/SFO/CLT even ORD/LAS (evening) and none of them had the offerings you have noted.

AND on these flights we have run out of BOB by mid-section of the A/C and yes, we get the 'tudes from the customers, however, my reply to them is NOT what you opined to me.

Cutting the number of available meals in the main cabin only hurts the customers and the FAs who have to deal with them. If we offer food for sale on-board, then it should be available to ALL who wish to purchase it. Not a select few. If they are so worried about their money, they can do what Hooters did, have their own employees work the flight and sell the food.
 
On a US transcon in F you might enjoy the roast pork loin w/port sauce, grilled red peppers and fingerling potatoes. !
that's funny...that is the SAME menu item revealed in the december 2007 press release regarding "upgraded" first class meals:

TEMPE, Ariz., Dec. 19 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Today, US Airways (NYSE: LCC) introduced new, upgraded menus for customers seated in its First Class cabin on flights in the United States, Canada, Latin America and the Caribbean...

...and seared pork loin in a port wine sauce with fingerling potatoes and roasted peppers for dinner. Lunch and dinner menus also include a dessert.
 
What US transcon serves that? Am I misreading that? I have NEVER seen that on an east or west transcon. I have not seen "pie" for over a year. Brownies and cookies only.

What is really messed up is if they are to start cutting back on food AND the agents are NOT allowed to make PAs that there is even LESS food to offer our already "disgruntled" passengers. Where do you think this will ultimately lead to???

Crappy food aside, transcon flights ALWAYS sell out 3/4 through the cabin (or less sometimes). And these people are annoyed when we tell them there's nothing left. As we all know they think we are their keepers and that we have "some nerve" to not have more food. :blink:

On my last transcon trip we had Roast Pork Loin with Port Wine Sauce and Fingerling Potatoes, Pasta Carbonara and Lemon Chiffon Pie.
 
HOWEVER with the money you save ($403) on BUF-SFO,for example--$942 walk up FC on CO BUF-EWR-SFO vs $539 walk up FC on US BUF-PHL-SFO, you could take yourself AND your entire crew to "The Slanted Door" at the Embarcadero for champagne (in REAL glassware) and raw oyster appetizers!
The Slanted Door - Totally AWESOME PLACE. Highly Recommended...
 
While I agree that all airlines will face the same economic turbulence, I also think US Airways is the most poorly positioned to withstand the storm and here is why.

1. Reliance on the domestic market -
2. Poorly defined Marketing message -
3. Poor but improving customer service -
4. Labor Relations - IT -[/b] T
6. Major disconnect with Elite Travelers -

This is by no means a complete list. US Airways has brought itself to where it is by their own hand. Their success or failure lies in their hands and since the merger they have fumbled more times than they've scored touchdowns

I really do believe that Bob is right on here. The reality is US has taken the worst parts of an LCC, and the worst parts of a legacy carrier, and bundled it into a hybrid model that does not compete with their apparent target market properly (Southwest).

I think the worst part is the poorly defined marketing message... An example of this would be... Charging for soda, and STILL charging a fee of $150 to make a change to itinerary... The change fee is truly a fee that is very popular with the legacy airlines, but not so much with a true LCC. The reality of this is US has chosen to basically compete with Southwest with the assumption that a Southwest customer only cares about price. That is not the case at all. Southwest customers are VERY loyal, and they will drive 100 miles to fly on Southwest.

The other big problem I feel is that trying to compete on price with Southwest is just rediculous when US services so many more cities. US has much higher costs when they connect passengers through a hub system for the same price or a price in line with Southwest.

I think that US pays far too much attention to numbers crunched on a spreadsheet, rather than the future ramifications of the decisions they are making. If any company allows the bean counters ALONE to determine customer facing policy, they will eventually force their customer out the door. A successful company can only be achieved by a TRUE BALANCE between finance, operations, and customer care.

In my own company, if i followed the advice of our bean counters, we would have went out of business a year ago. Our CFO wanted to virtually eliminate our support department and training department. That would make for wonderful short term numbers, but how would we look a year from now when we had no customers and employees that didn't know what they were supposed to be doing...
 
I think that US pays far too much attention to numbers crunched on a spreadsheet, rather than the future ramifications of the decisions they are making. If any company allows the bean counters ALONE to determine customer facing policy, they will eventually force their customer out the door. A successful company can only be achieved by a TRUE BALANCE between finance, operations, and customer care.

In my own company, if i followed the advice of our bean counters, we would have went out of business a year ago. Our CFO wanted to virtually eliminate our support department and training department. That would make for wonderful short term numbers, but how would we look a year from now when we had no customers and employees that didn't know what they were supposed to be doing...


In my 20 plus years of consulting I have told many clients that two groups that you don't want running the company are the bean counters and the sales department. The bean counters will cut everything until there is nothing left in the product to sell and the sales department will 'give' it away to make the sale, and there is no money left to pay the bills. Therefor a strong operations department that understands customer service and how the company pays it bills will be a strong company. If you look at some of the more successful companies they are very strong operationally. At CO Gordon was an operational guy in the past. Over at WN they have always focused on way to improve the operation, not always cutting costs.
 
<SNIP> When all the other airlines see what we make selling drinks I won't be surprised if they start selling them as well!!
Golly, you’re right about OAs starting to charge dumb fees!

American Airlines Now Charging Fees To Non-Passengers

December 1, 2008 | Issue 44•49

FORT WORTH, TX—Cash-strapped American Airlines announced a new series of fees this week that will apply to all customers not currently flying, scheduled to fly, or even thinking about flying aboard the commercial carrier.


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