MrAeroMan said:
That little assault division you're speaking of accesses our country each day through our porous borders assisted by those already setup in this country.
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Which has exactly nothing to do with Iraq, which was the subject we were discussing.
You have no proof whatsoever that Iraquis are not funding terrorism...
Any you have absolutely no proof that they did. On the other hand we do have proof about how Saddam historically dealt with religious extremists such as Al Qaeda in his country - he executed them.
...and if you think that Saddam didn't fund terrorists efforts your head is still where I think it's been for a long time.
I'll type it slowly so you can understand: Show me real evidence of what you claim and I will be happy to believe it. Not opinion, or op-ed passing itself off as news from the Neo-Con fringe, but actual evidence. The 9/11 commission traced the funding for Al Qaeda and 9/11 pretty closely and found no Iraqi involvement, but if I choose to disregard the wishful thinking of the Neo-COns who need to justify their war in Iraq and ask for evidence, I'm the one with my head 'up and locked'? I think not. Also, if I remember my elementary school protocol, I'm now supposed to call you a 'doodyhead' in response to the juvenile personal attack contained in your reply.
Like we could count on slick Willy to tell us the truth.
Ahhh......the Neo-Con boogeyman is invoked! Exactly what does Clinton have to do with the Bush administration decision to invade Iraq and their less-than-candid record on the subject since?
Why didn't he take Somolia up on it's offer to hand over Usama when they offered??
Why did Bush choose to give the Taliban over $60 Million in May 2001? Did he really think they were going to stop growing opium? Considering that opium production in Afghanistan has actually gone UP since we took over, maybe not.
I know several people that are there or have been there and each and everyone of them states the same thing. They all say the reports coming from Iraq are not consistant with the realities of the majority of the country.
I know several people who felt the same way about South Vietnam.
Most of the Iraqi people are happy to be free of Saddam as well as having the US rebuild their country.
And have risen up against the insurgents and turned them in to the authorities. Wait, that hasn't happened, has it? What if the Iraqis us their new found freedoms to put Saddam, or someone like him, back in power? Think we'll be OK with that and say "Well, that's how democracy works"?
Yeah....so does UK, US, Germany, Russia etc so what's your point?
'They have 'em, Saddam didn't.', seems simple enough. You might want to double check your information on Germany having WMDs though.
Saddam was buying time and influence and would use his weapons through the terrorists given time.
Yet in the years between 1991 and 2003 he didn't even try. With the UN sanctions crippling his economy and US and UK aircraft denying him the use of his skies, he just wasn't mad enough to resort to WMDs? What do you think he was waiting for?
but????????
Again, I'll go slowly in deference to you: If posession of WMDs is a justification for invasion in Iraq, why is it not a justification in, for instance, North Korea?
The WMD threat was not only missed by the CIA and US intelligence agencies but it was missed by everyone of the intelligence agencies of our allies.
Yet when the Iraqis presented their WMD accounting to the UN, a document over 10,000 pages, the US took that document - allegedly to copy it - we returned it with almost 8,000 pages missing. (Then complained it was incomplete.) If anyone had reason to know, and the ability to know, it was us; but when presented with the mounting evidence that Saddam was not producing WMDs, the Bush administration chose to ignore what did not reinforce their predisposition to invade.
Given your choice we'd still be negotiating with him to get out of Kuwait
You couldn't be more wrong. I believed in our need to liberate Kuwait so strongly that I returned to active duty from the reserves and served there, and in Operation Restore Hope in Somalia, until complications from wounds I suffered in Vietnam twenty-five years before forced me into medical retirement from the Corps after 22 years of active and four years of reserve service.
What did you do in the war, daddy?
Oh really?? How did Zarqawi get set up so quickly and efficiently then? He was wounded in Afghanistan and treated in Iraq. So much for your theory huh?
What part of "While many Al Qaeda fighters have come to Iraq since the invasion, drawn by the opportunity to kill more Americans, there was virtually no Al Qaeda presence in the country before the invasion..." did you not understand?
That's their choice. Not Saddams and if they want to kill each other then they will. No one will stop them but they won't be using nukes nor chemical weapons doing so.
Not yet anyway. Considering that Iran is backing the Shiites, yet another country that has chemical and biological weapons and is working on nukes, that could change pretty quickly.
You can't be serious! Do you not realize the amount of mosques in the United States is enormous? The 9/11 hijackers were involved in many of them spewing the venom of Usama inside these borders.
As opposed to the white supremacist churches that have been doing the same thing in the US for years, a message led directly to the bombing in Oklahoma City? If you have evidence of your allegations, I'm sure the FBI would be glad to have it.
Invading a foreign country to replace it's government? Hello!! Ever heard of Afghanistan and the Taliban? What do you think that was? It certainly wasn't Neverland.
The Taliban were Afghanis. Hello!! How do you invade your own country? They were only able to come to power after the rest of the world turned their backs on Afghanistan and Bush seemed perfectly happy to work with them right up until 9/11.
If you're willing to take that chance with you and yours fine but don't include me and mine in your broad brushing tactics.
I'm not the one painting with a broad brush here, implying that all moslems in the country are trying to destroy America. You are.
One of the men I work with is an Iranian Shiite muslim who, while serving our country in Vietnam, earned the Navy Cross and a Silver Star - both awards for his valor in combat on behalf of our nation. Should we paint him with your broad brush as well? Or does he get a special concentration camp in your America?
By the time you get your head out of the sand the rest of you will be buried. I must say it's not surprising. Read your history pal. Those that don't know their history will be condemned to repeat it.
Read it so much I got a degree in it, pal. Ever heard of the US 'liberation' of the Phillippines after the Spanish-American War? Enjoying watching it repeated in Iraq? It only took almost 80 years until we let the Phillippines start electing their own government, how long do you think it will be in Iraq?
You think the Democratic party is representative of America?? You truly have no clue. Have fun with the likes of your party.
Better that than remaining a Republican in a party that has abandoned its founding principles of minimum government interference in our daily lives and fiscal responsibility.
What slams has Arnold put against the Dems?
http://newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/11/4/212850.shtml
http://www.thedailyfarce.com/california.cf...ats_07200400017
This is the man the Republicans want us to change our Constitution for?
This is America pal...Rush and Ann are residents and have free speech just like the democrats that told seniors AGAIN in this election that the republicans were going to take their social security away. Thanks to Ed Asner for that one huh?
So Rush and Ann have a right to free speech and Ed Asner doesn't? An interesting America you would have us live in.
Well reign in the Democrats that are calling for us to go to the UN everytime something arises and maybe they won't feel that way.
Well, reign in the Republicans who think that we have a right to do things in other countries without consulting the rest of the world and maybe they won't feel that way.
My side won NWA. I could care less what you think about me and my party. Keep thinking you and your side represents the majority of America. It's fine with me as it makes my job easier.
A ringing 3% mandate at that. Just remember that the same electorate elected Clinton twice as well. The fact is that most Americans are moderates who resist the Neo-Con attempts to polarize our nation, and many former Republicans, including myself, are happy to now be lumped in with those "Liberals" that you think make up the Democratic party.
You must've been a Nazi in another life.
Hmmm......more personal attacks........how original. You must have been an idiot in another life and you've managed to expand on that experience impressively.
Let them answer for the six million Jews they killed huh NWA?
Nope, nor should we let the Saudis advocate just such a solution for Israel, which they have done.
Quite. Seek help.
I'm glad you're going to answer for your not doing anything to stop the killing of an entire generation just because it's a womans right to choose.
So am I, and I'll do it with my head held high. Since your side has failed to condemn the killing of those it feels are involved in abortion, such as doctors, it seems that it is a question of timing for you - aborting a fetus in the first trimester is wrong but aborting a doctor in the thirty-third is OK. I'm far more comfortable with my sins than I would be with yours. Maybe you can explain to God which 'entire generation' was killed.
I am leading by example. I have adopted and given an alternative. What have you done sport?
I adopted FOUR, sport. Two of whom are currently defending your right to whine.
Your turn to lead by example.
You first, for a change.
I never said I wanted my will imposed on others.
Yet you feel that you should be able to tell women not to have abortions........interesting.
I believe in personal responsibility and taking ownership of the repurcussions of ones decisions.
As do I, but unlike you I back up my words with deeds.
Something you and your heroes will never do.
An interesting presumption, but, as usual, wrong.