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Toushee' (spelling) 😀 or is it Toushay, or Toushey? Hell, I don't know. Anyway, point well taken.
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Toushee' (spelling) 😀 or is it Toushay, or Toushey? Hell, I don't know. Anyway, point well taken.
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So who do we focus our attention on next? Assuming we can defer any attention away from the mess we're involved in in Iraq. Should it be Afghanistan? Kuwait? Saudi Arabia? Iran? I think if I were forced to pick a piece of dirt "over there" to send our fighting men and women to and park our butts on and help defend it would be Israel. At least I can rationalize with myself that this is a cause worth fighting for.
As I've said before, I for one would prefer to stick to the war within. I think we have enough problems policing our own borders; without being the free worlds police as well. I'd like for us to catch Osama; and destroy the cells of Al Quaeda. I'd just as importantly like us to take care of our problems at home. From crime, to unemployment, to our borders being overrun, to the state of our health care system, to education, to welfare, to taxes, to the devaluing of the dollar; and I could go on and on....we have enough on our plates right where we are.
Like I've said before, I'm a successionist. I don't see what's so great about being a member of the U.N. anyway. Let's see how powerful and successful the U.N. is without the U.S. of A. To Hell with them. We sure don't need them as much as they demand and implore our participation in them, the souls of our young men and women to carry out their wishes, and our money to support their endeavors.
Hell, I'm just a simple Texas country boy. This foreign policy stuff is all to complicated for me. My biggest concern in life should be "If my wife an I gets devorced is we still first cousins?" Just kidding. I haint even married; nobody will have me.
As I've said before, I for one would prefer to stick to the war within. I think we have enough problems policing our own borders; without being the free worlds police as well. I'd like for us to catch Osama; and destroy the cells of Al Quaeda. I'd just as importantly like us to take care of our problems at home. From crime, to unemployment, to our borders being overrun, to the state of our health care system, to education, to welfare, to taxes, to the devaluing of the dollar; and I could go on and on....we have enough on our plates right where we are.
Like I've said before, I'm a successionist. I don't see what's so great about being a member of the U.N. anyway. Let's see how powerful and successful the U.N. is without the U.S. of A. To Hell with them. We sure don't need them as much as they demand and implore our participation in them, the souls of our young men and women to carry out their wishes, and our money to support their endeavors.
Hell, I'm just a simple Texas country boy. This foreign policy stuff is all to complicated for me. My biggest concern in life should be "If my wife an I gets devorced is we still first cousins?" Just kidding. I haint even married; nobody will have me.
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TheLazarusman said:
Classic example of those whom should not 'drink and post'!!!
<_< UT
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UAL_TECH said:
Excuse me oh righteous one! I am currently drinking a diet soft drink; which I do not believe contains any spirits. Would you care to be specific and not generalize about what you disagree with concerning my post? If UAL TECH would care to state his point of view then perhaps I could respond in kind. If you cannot find it within yourself to rise to such a daunting task then perhaps I can descend to your level. You are cordially invited to dine where I deficate. Assumptions about anothers condition should be made very carefully unless you are there to verify the facts. Seriously, If you don't like what I had to say to NWA/AMT, how about enlightening me with what you're specifically trying to say to me. Generalities are elephant fodder. So I should not drink and post. Well I think you should not post, provoke, and not postulate. If you have something you really feel you have the need to say then say it. The forum is now yours UAL. What about my post do you really disagree with? Or did you just see a chance to make a quick joke at someone elses expense? I'd like a chance to defend my position. I'm waiting.
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TheLazarusman said:
TheLazarusman,
Your self anointed pontification is neither extraordinary nor convincing and your play on sentences is equally unimpressive. If we are going to enter into a philosophical debate then you may also want to invest in a good grammar and spell checker software suite (some are available free online).
(See, I can be an A$$ too!!!)
In your ‘attempt’ to descend to ‘my level’, maybe you can clarify where you believe I am in the pecking order in regards to where you think you are and we will proceed from there.
Ball is in your court...
B) UT
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UAL_TECH said:
How about we start with a Tabula Rosa. Will that be clarification enough for you? I make no attempt at a good grammer and spell checker. If I abuse the English language it simply reinforces my statement that I am a simple Texas country boy. I am no Rhodes Scholar. I just try to get my point accross with you big boys as best as I can. Now back to the ball being in my court; gawd I hate tennis! As for self annointed pontification and play on sentences it must have been accidental; because I wouldn't know it if it bit me in my a@s. So, back to the original task at hand. As for my original post, I really would like an opportunity to defend myself in the communication that was taking place between myself and NWA/AMT. Was there something specifically you disagreed with? Or did you just see an opportunity to poke fun at a good ole boy? Whatever the reason, I took offense at the drinking insinuation. Call me a Texas redneck, call me uninformed, but I would prefer that you not call me a drunk. If there's really something you didn't agree with let me know; I'll be happy to elaborate on my position. And I'm always willing to listen to the other sides point of view. I'm always willing to admit when I'm wrong. 😀
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TheLazarusman said:
Admittedly, my ‘first contact’ was inflammatory in which I apologize for being terse and inferring that you may be a drunk. The post I replied to appears to be more jocularity in nature and I should not have responded to that particular post. However, I cannot understand how someone that has no experience in the travesties of combat can comment in an apparently flippant one liner about someone who has.
I do not care if you are from Texas or China, I consider myself a ‘bumpkin’ as well. As a ‘recovering republican’ I have grown weary of the ‘Rush Heads’ and their insistence in pointing at personal indiscretions as a character flaw but refuse to acknowledge (and often justify) one of the biggest lies that our current administration has made ‘THAT ARE KILLING PEOPLE!!!â€. Which, in my opinion, is significantly of more importance than chewing on a slimy white owl.
“IRAQ†(Pick a topic!!!)
We did the right ‘move’ by going to Afghanistan and purging (some) of the Taliban and Al Queada. But we have failed on our ‘follow up’ promises. Now we are in a situation wherein we are fighting two fronts without a clear exit strategy for either situation. If the ‘strategy’ is to simply leave then we will have to revisit this problem again in the not too distant future (been there – done that). We allowed ourselves to be duped into the ‘IRAQ’ situation without resolving the Afghanistan dilemma. Now, Afghanistan is once again one of the top producers of Opium and Heroin in the world ‘under our watch!!!’. Another ‘calculated’ move by our administration?
IMHO, your choosing the ‘lesser of two evils’ was not a ‘researched’ and deliberated decision.
WAR SUCKS!!!
Flying along at 80 knots NOE and having issued a reply with ‘red tracers’ to stop the ‘green tracers’, I believe I have a certain amount of understanding of combat. Having had this ‘flyby’ experience, I have the up most admiration for ‘any one’ that has to go ‘toe-to-toe’ in the fight we are having in Iraq and ‘IMHO’ we are not serving them that serve ‘US’!!!
B) UT
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UAL_TECH said:
You're absolutely right; I have no hands on understanding of combat. What I do have is the utmost respect and admiration for what you, NWA/AMT, and others have done and are doing so I and my family can enjoy the freedoms we so easily take for granted. I'm not puffing smoke. That comes from the heart.
As for being flippant, that was never my intention; and I sincerely apologize.
As for a researched and deliberated decision about the lesser of two evils, it was thorough enough for me; and I'll stand by it. But then again, nobody has ever accused me of my elevator going all the way to the top; so I've been wrong before.
"IRAQ" (PICK A TOPIC!) I'd like to be done with Iraq. I wish we could be; but I know we're stuck there for a while. I'd like to be able to focus on Osama, the Taliban, and Al Quaeda. What I'd really like to do is close the borders off and focus on the homefront for a while; but that's not possible until we take care of the other.
Last but not least, I don't consider myself a "RushHead" either. I could really care less about someones personal indiscretions. I want to know where they stand on the issues; and Kerry just never could seem to keep his balance long enough during the campaign to allow me to gain any confidence in him. I couldn't figure out which side of the fence he was on; and I got the impression most times he couldn't either. Just my personal observation; ok?
Anyway, from one "bumpkin" to another, thanks for hearing me out.
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firstamendment said:
Hey, I like Pu$$y!!! Besides, who asked you anyway? :down:
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Oh L-man,TheLazarusman said:
Lighten up! It was a joke. <_<
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Oh L-man,TheLazarusman said:
Lighten up! It was a joke. <_<
Sorry about the repeat.
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TheLazarusman said:
TheLazarusman,
You have stated some things that I have never heard in my lifetime and I appreciate your sincerity.
From one 'bumpkin' to another, thank you for your honest reply!!!
May you and yours have a 'Merry Christmas'!!!
Take Care,
B) UAL_TECH
TheLazarusman said:
Given our committment in Iraq and Afghanistan and our need to maintain the capability to respond to other large threats as they emerge, we do not currently have the troops available to commit to another large scale action. More importantly, we don't NEED to commit to another large scale action to deal with our real enemy, Al Qaeda.
As I've said repeatedly here, Al Qaeda is not an organization that we can fight with divisions or brigades as it will disperse and avoid contact except where it can initiate contact on it's own terms. That's a type of enemy that sounds familiar to many of us, because that's how people fight you when you are the greatest military power and they can't match you 'toe to toe'.
The troops we need to fight this organization are the Special Operations folks, USMC Force Recon, Delta Force, Army Special Forces and Rangers, Navy Seals and Air Force Special Operations. They can do this sort of thing very well. Meanwhile, if it takes a busboy with a silencer to take out Osama, we need to start training busboys on the pistol range. We need to make our forces fit the war, not the war fit our forces.
We need to complete the work we've started in Afghanistan, and Iraq, and identify the nations that continue to harbor Al Qaeda. It wouldn't surprise me if we find that some of those we think of as our allies turn up on that list.
The Israelis don't really need our help to defend themselves on the larger scale, as they've repeatedly proven. The question is not how we can help Israel but how Israel can help us. They have lived with the threat, and reality, of terrorism for a long time and have been effective at fighting organizations like Al Qaeda.
Effective border control will be impossible as long as we depend on a constant flow of cheap labor but pretend that we don't. This, and many of the other social issues you mention, are among the reasons I supported John Kerry rather than George W. Bush. Devaluation of the dollar is directly linked by many economists to our expanding national debt and the amount for debt we have with foreign banks, one of the many points that John Kerry should have made far more clearly.
Secession and the question of states rights vs. federal rights was dealt with in the US by the Civil War, but it is a question that also applies on a larger scale to the UN. If we wish to use the UN to justify our actions, can we then take those actions against the wishes of the UN? The UN Charter provides for member nations rights to take unilateral action in self defense, but in the case of Iraq we would have stretched that definition past the breaking point and we knew it, that's why we used the UN resolutions on Iraq to justify our actions. We cannot fix the world by ourselves, nor does the world want to be fixed by us alone, and the UN was created, primarily by the US, because of that reality. We can't just be a member of the UN when it suits our purposes.
