Bye Bye American Pie

[Dog Wonder]

We didn't have public run schools for most of the first 150 years of this country and people rich & poor got educated.

Your source for that piece of pure garbage?

You just flunked history in flying colors.

Put on the dunce cap and take a seat in the corner.

 

[SparrowHawk]

Your source for that piece of pure garbage?

You just flunked history in flying colors.

Put on the dunce cap and take a seat in the corner.

Early History
American public education differs from that of many other nations in that it is primarily the responsibility of the states and individual school districts. The national system of formal education in the United States developed in the 19th century. Jefferson was the first American leader to suggest creating a public school system. His ideas formed the basis of education systems developed in the 19th century.

The most preliminary form of public education was in existence in the 1600s in the New England colonies of Massachusetts, Connecticut and New Hampshire. The overriding belief on educating the children was more due to religious reasons and was easy to implement, as the only groups in existence were the Puritans and the Congregationalists. However, the influx of people from many countries and belonging to different faiths led to a weakening of the concept. People refused to learn only in English and opposed the clergy imposing their religious views through public education. By the middle of the eighteenth century, private schooling had become the norm.

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I did get it partly wrong I meant to say for the last 150, NOT as written in the prior post. My mind and fingers had a disconnect.

 

[Ms Tree]

We are the government. The native Americans were screwed by we the people and divine destiny. They were viewed as heathens because they were not Christian were matriarchal, did not own land and general were not like us, or did your history books not teach you that part? The BIA was well after the fact and was/is reprehensible but by no means the beginning of the story.

As soon as you turn schools to a for profit institution the poor will get screwed. An educated populace benefits all of us. Not just the parents.

Until the government got involved in the school systems the poor and disenfranchised had a hard time at best to get educated. Perhaps you should look up the little incident in Little Rock. Education was for the haves aka winners not the have nots aka losers. Call them what ever you want to make your self feel better but it does not change history.

 

[Dog Wonder]

I did get it partly wrong I meant to say for the last 150, NOT as written in the prior post. My mind and fingers had a disconnect.

So we haven't had public run schools for the last 150 years?

 

[SparrowHawk]

So we haven't had public run schools for the last 150 years?

Other way around was what I meant. Funny thing is you can trace the decline as starting right about the time the US Dept of Education became a Cabinet level agency. Coincidence? I don't know but I'm not big on conspiracy or coincidence. More of a cause and effect type

 

[delldude]

Your source for that piece of pure garbage?

You just flunked history in flying colors.

Put on the dunce cap and take a seat in the corner.

Could you please move over a little, you take up a lot of space.

 

[Dog Wonder]

Could you please move over a little, you take up a lot of space.

There are four corners.

You don't have to sit next to anyone you don't want to.

 

[Dog Wonder]

Other way around was what I meant. Funny thing is you can trace the decline as starting right about the time the US Dept of Education became a Cabinet level agency. Coincidence? I don't know but I'm not big on conspiracy or coincidence. More of a cause and effect type

Was that in the first 150 years of the country, or the last 150 years?

You make up 'facts', then correct yourself with more 'facts'?

 

[SparrowHawk]

Was that in the first 150 years of the country, or the last 150 years?

You make up 'facts', then correct yourself with more 'facts'?

I cited a source. relax. I made a mistake. Public education didn't come to fore until right before the civil war and didn't really take hold until just after the Civil War. Count the years the point remains that we didn't always have public education

 

[Ms Tree]

That education was for the winners not the losers. Not quite what we have today. I have no interest in returning to such a system.

Some things work as a for profit business. Some things do not.

 

[SparrowHawk]

That education was for the winners not the losers. Not quite what we have today. I have no interest in returning to such a system.

Some things work as a for profit business. Some things do not.

OK, let's say I buy your premise.

Just exactly how well are we doing? Something like 14th in Math and Science worldwide? Richest most powerful nation in the world not even in the top 10 when it comes to the knowledge that will keep us from being just another large third world republic with a glorious past. Yeah I'm thinking we've had about all the government "help" our country can stand.

 

[Dog Wonder]

Behind Cuba.

I bet those Communiss don't have gummint involved in education.

 

[Ms Tree]

Never said it was perfect. I believe I even said the system needs an overhaul.

A for profit education system is not the way to go. Look at the costs involved in a private education. How many people can afford that? I know my wifes brother could not afford a private education for his two girls. They are in public school taking AP classes and near the top of their class. They are in one of the best school districts in tbe DFW area. Kids in less affluent areas do not have the same opportunities. Your education should not be dependant on your social status or what state you live in. The only thing that should matter is wanting to learn and being given that opportunity. With out that this country is doomed.

 

[SparrowHawk]

Never said it was perfect. I believe I even said the system needs an overhaul.

A for profit education system is not the way to go. Look at the costs involved in a private education. How many people can afford that? I know my wifes brother could not afford a private education for his two girls. They are in public school taking AP classes and near the top of their class. They are in one of the best school districts in tbe DFW area. Kids in less affluent areas do not have the same opportunities. Your education should not be dependant on your social status or what state you live in. The only thing that should matter is wanting to learn and being given that opportunity. With out that this country is doomed.

Local Catholic School (private School) tuition here is as pasted from a school website

The actual cost per pupil, based on projected enrollment and expenses, is approximately $5,000.
The average tuition rate for a Catholic education in the United States is $3,000.
The difference between tuition and actual per pupil cost is made up through our parish subsidy, fundraising, and donations.
Of the approximately 60 families we served during the 2010-11 school year, 20% qualified for partial or full scholarships.
- An Enrollment Form has been completed and turned in
- A Tuition Agreement has been completed and turned in
- A $50, non-refundable, deposit has been paid

K-6 first child $2,875

Compared to the Following

Minnesota school districts. The state average cost of adequate education was $6,236 per pupil. The cost was well over twice the state average for the district facing the harshest educational environment ($14,446) and approximately $700 less per pupil in districts with the most advantageous environment ($5,524).

The typical private elementary school in Minnesota spends half as much per pupil as the typical public elementary school in Minnesota. In general these private schools achieve better results than their public school counterparts. Furthermore; contrary to what the education establishment would have us believe the demographics of private schools are very similar to those of the public schools.

Seems like the private sector here is doing more with less as is the norm in society.

 

[Ms Tree]

These are the costs I am custom to seeing.

http://dallas-area-schools.blogspot.com/2011/04/private-schools-ranked-by-cost-of.html