Christmas sick calls ?

[jimntx]

I agree wholeheartedly with FAMikey. I am junior; therefore, I flew Christmas Eve, Christmas Day, and the day after. People that are senior to me were able to hold a line that gave them those days off.

It's called the way the game is played in a seniority based system. Making a bogus sick call on a holiday doesn't hurt the company one whit. The trips will be covered one way or another.

I understand that there were 55 reassignments at DFW on Christmas morning after they ran out of available reserves. So, someone who thought they were through with their trip and on the way home to spend the rest of Christmas Day with their family got sent back out to cover for some selfish piece of cr*p. The company wasn't hurt in the least.

 

[Garfield1966]

I agree wholeheartedly with FAMikey. I am junior; therefore, I flew Christmas Eve, Christmas Day, and the day after. People that are senior to me were able to hold a line that gave them those days off.

It's called the way the game is played in a seniority based system. Making a bogus sick call on a holiday doesn't hurt the company one whit. The trips will be covered one way or another.

I understand that there were 55 reassignments at DFW on Christmas morning after they ran out of available reserves. So, someone who thought they were through with their trip and on the way home to spend the rest of Christmas Day with their family got sent back out to cover for some selfish piece of cr*p. The company wasn't hurt in the least.

Looks like there are now 2 people who understand what is going on and who gets the short end of the stick. Jim and Mikey, maybe you can explain it to the rest of the folks. I have been trying for years and no one seems to listen. I won't hold my breath. To many people in this world have an entitlement mentality. It's all about 'me'.

 

[AC AA LA FA]

Looks like there are now 2 people who understand what is going on and who gets the short end of the stick. Jim and Mikey, maybe you can explain it to the rest of the folks. I have been trying for years and no one seems to listen. I won't hold my breath. To many people in this world have an entitlement mentality. It's all about 'me'.

...ooo, ooo, oo, me too me too...

make it 3 people....I get it too Garfield.....

 

[B.O.B.]

Hey if you have the SK time during the holidays...why not use it? I used it and I enjoyed my holidays!

The compAAny doesn't care about you, so why work on the holiday? Our holiday pay is gone, so we have no incentive to show up. Ground workers still get time and a half for Christmas.

 

[NewHampshire Black Bears]

Serious question.

A F/A is working her last leg, and lands in DFW at 23:00, on 12/24.

All of a sudden, "the infamous RING-A-LING-LING" goes off on her cell phone, or on the jet bridge.

Garfield says, "your re-assigned for a 10:00 trip the next day"(12/25)........(She was suppose to be OFF)

Her reply is, "Sorry, I'm SICK as a dog, and I'm going to the parking lot, AND driving myself to the Emergancy Room, at my neighborhood Hospital"..............Once there, she procures written documentation from a DOCTOR, that she's instructed to go straight to bed, and remain there for 72 hours, and take the precription medication that was precribed for her .


What happens next ?????????????


NH/BB's

(This becomes her 3rd,and Final occurance for 2005)

 

[TIME FOR CHANGE]

Serious question.

A F/A is working her last leg, and lands in DFW at 23:00, on 12/24.

All of a sudden, "the infamous RING-A-LING-LING" goes off on her cell phone, or on the jet bridge.

Garfield says, "your re-assigned for a 10:00 trip the next day"(12/25)........(She was suppose to be OFF)

Her reply is, "Sorry, I'm SICK as a dog, and I'm going to the parking lot, AND driving myself to the Emergancy Room, at my neighborhood Hospital"..............Once there, she procures written documentation from a DOCTOR, that she's instructed to go straight to bed, and remain there for 72 hours, and take the precription medication that was precribed for her .
What happens next ?????????????
NH/BB's



(This becomes her 3rd,and Final occurance for 2005)

Actually the sorry part or the hospital part isnt necessary.
Just say Im sick and see you in five days
No more No Less 😀

 

[Garfield1966]

Serious question.

A F/A is working her last leg, and lands in DFW at 23:00, on 12/24.

All of a sudden, "the infamous RING-A-LING-LING" goes off on her cell phone, or on the jet bridge.

Garfield says, "your re-assigned for a 10:00 trip the next day"(12/25)........(She was suppose to be OFF)

Her reply is, "Sorry, I'm SICK as a dog, and I'm going to the parking lot, AND driving myself to the Emergancy Room, at my neighborhood Hospital"..............Once there, she procures written documentation from a DOCTOR, that she's instructed to go straight to bed, and remain there for 72 hours, and take the precription medication that was precribed for her .
What happens next ?????????????
NH/BB's

(This becomes her 3rd,and Final occurance for 2005)

Nothing. I find someon else to reassign or the flight cancels.

 

[jimntx]

Serious question.

A F/A is working her last leg, and lands in DFW at 23:00, on 12/24.

All of a sudden, "the infamous RING-A-LING-LING" goes off on her cell phone, or on the jet bridge.

Garfield says, "your re-assigned for a 10:00 trip the next day"(12/25)........(She was suppose to be OFF)

Her reply is, "Sorry, I'm SICK as a dog, and I'm going to the parking lot, AND driving myself to the Emergancy Room, at my neighborhood Hospital"..............Once there, she procures written documentation from a DOCTOR, that she's instructed to go straight to bed, and remain there for 72 hours, and take the precription medication that was precribed for her .
What happens next ?????????????
NH/BB's

(This becomes her 3rd,and Final occurance for 2005)

Well, to be literal, this scenario would never happen. If the f/a leaves the airport, he/she can not be assigned a trip for a sign-in less than 11 hours (12hours on reserve months) from "sign-out" time for today's trip. "Sign-out" time is block-in time + 15 minutes. If the f/a arrived at 2300, sign-out is 2315. Next sign-in can not be before 1015 for an 1115 departure. And, if you leave the airport, you can not be forced to take an assignment on a scheduled day off.

But, more specifically, reassignment is for right now, tonight. If you are reassigned, that means you are leaving again (probably within the hour) today. Remember there are other legalities to consider--such as, length of duty day, flying more than 6 calendar days in a row, etc.

As to question of illness, if you are sick, you are sick. But, the number of chargeable occurrences does apply--regardlesss of whether or not you have a doctor's statement. It's been my experience that unless a flight attendant is battling a chronic illness--such as, cancer--multiple sick calls within a single year are abuse of sick leave.

Sick leave is NOT supplemental vacation time. Any flight attendant who has the attitude of "I had the time accrued, why not take it" is a selfish lowlife. What that employee means is that they don't give a sh*t about their fellow flight attendants. It has absolutely NOTHING to do with what the company does or does not feel toward the employee. It's disregard for your co-workers.

Also, in every company I have ever worked in, using sick leave when you are not sick is a termination offense. The problem is that it is just too hard to prove. Too many flight attendants know unethical doctors who will write an excuse for the right price.

 

[Garfield1966]

Hey if you have the SK time during the holidays...why not use it? I used it and I enjoyed my holidays!

The compAAny doesn't care about you, so why work on the holiday? Our holiday pay is gone, so we have no incentive to show up. Ground workers still get time and a half for Christmas.

Then of course there is BOB who could not fine his A$$ with two hands and a road map. Like FAmikey said, even when incentives, holiday pay and what ever were offered, the sick list was still 100% higher than normal so that 'dog don't hunt'.

I am glad you can enjoy your holiday at the expense of one of your "fellow" employees who had to do your job for you and not feel any guilt. That's the way to screw over you fellow employee. Like FAmikey said. You did not hurt the company, you did not hurt crew skd (we had to t work a little harder, not a big deal) who you hurt was your fellow UNION employee. They got reassigned, they went out short staffed on a full plane, they had to pick up the slack because you did not feel like showing up for work. I went home after my 8 hours. Allot of FA's did not because of self centered Neanderthals like you.

Not sure why you guys don't get on your unions ass and get them to hold these folks accountable for their actions. AA sure is that motivated since they are not loosing much if anything at all. If I were a FA I'd be pissed off at SOBs like bob. OH well. If you don't mind getting abused while he sits home doing what ever it is he does, knock your self out.

 

[NewHampshire Black Bears]

Garfield(The movie),

While I "deeply" respect your right to voice your opinion, was it necessary to "berate" B.O.B. with so much namecalling ??

NH/BB's

 

[Mach85ER]

I'd be amazed at a F/A who didn't have multiple sick calls a year. I'm also tired of the ones who are scared of the company and hack on everyone else in a small crew van for a 1/2 hour ride.


Some obervations; the planes are packed full as well as the terminals. Our domestic hotels are 300 sq/ft Petri Dishes full of traces of every disgusting microbe and parasite known to man.
The Holidays are a time where many more families with kids are traveling. A good percentage of these are hacking and drooling over everything the F/A's touch.
What happens each year?
A clueless bunch of non-crew AA employees of all levels ramble on about sick leave abuse.

Effective leadership will lower sick leave over time.

 

[Bob Owens]

Garfield1966'
Then of course there is BOB who could not fine his A$$ with two hands and a road map. Like FAmikey said, even when incentives, holiday pay and what ever were offered, the sick list was still 100% higher than normal so that 'dog don't hunt'.

Ok 100% as opposed to 300 or 400%. In aircraft maint, despite the fact that we get docked a days pay more people call in sick now on the holidays than ever before.


I am glad you can enjoy your holiday at the expense of one of your "fellow" employees who had to do your job for you and not feel any guilt.

At their "expense"? Did the other worker lose money out of their paycheck as a result?

That's the way to screw over you fellow employee. Like FAmikey said. You did not hurt the company, you did not hurt crew skd (we had to t work a little harder, not a big deal) who you hurt was your fellow UNION employee.
They got reassigned, they went out short staffed on a full plane, they had to pick up the slack because you did not feel like showing up for work.


Full plane? On Christmas? Who is kidding who here?


Not sure why you guys don't get on your unions ass and get them to hold these folks accountable for their actions.

Isnt that your job?

AA sure is that motivated since they are not loosing much if anything at all.

Then why do you care? You dont care that FAs dont make enough to feed their families but all of a sudden you care how hard they work?

If you don't mind getting abused while he sits home doing what ever it is he does, knock your self out.

Abused by whom? The company? What makes you so sure that "B.O.B" is a guy, doesnt it mean 'Buy On Board'?

Mach85ER, good point. Plus these people who sit in climate controlled cubicles dont realize what many airline workers are exposed to and the conditions they work under. So not only is the chance of us getting sick greater but we have to work under harsher conditions.

Workers often do show up sick and hope others can pick up the slack, is that fair to the other workers? By going in sick others have to work harder, get denied the chance to work OT and risk getting the same illness. The only one that makes out is the company. So when people are ill on the holiday they are more likely to call in sick because they know that more than likely they will be short staffed, so no one can pick up the slack.

 

[FA Mikey]

Garfield1966'

I am glad you can enjoy your holiday at the expense of one of your "fellow" employees who had to do your job for you and not feel any guilt.

At their "expense"? Did the other worker lose money out of their paycheck as a result?

No but someone had to work the flight. Someone who might have been other wise off. Had to work to cover the one who bid for and agreed to work that day.

That's the way to screw over you fellow employee. Like FAmikey said. You did not hurt the company, you did not hurt crew skd (we had to t work a little harder, not a big deal) who you hurt was your fellow UNION employee.
They got reassigned, they went out short staffed on a full plane, they had to pick up the slack because you did not feel like showing up for work.
Full plane? On Christmas? Who is kidding who here?

We work mostly in multiday trips. DEC 24 and 26 were very full.

Workers often do show up sick and hope others can pick up the slack, is that fair to the other workers? By going in sick others have to work harder, get denied the chance to work OT and risk getting the same illness. The only one that makes out is the company. So when people are ill on the holiday they are more likely to call in sick because they know that more than likely they will be short staffed, so no one can pick up the slack.

Very true Bob, the point was that "BOB" was bragging about taking Christmas off. Not sick, just self serving lazy.

 

[jimntx]

[At their "expense"? Did the other worker lose money out of their paycheck as a result?

No, but they lost time with their family by being reassigned. I was just out at DFW to pick up my parking tag for next year. One of the flight service managers was telling me about having to meet an inbound a/c on Christmas morning and telling the junior member of the crew that she had been reassigned. That f/a missed her baby's first Christmas because of people like B.O.B. who have total disregard for their co-workers.

Full plane? On Christmas? Who is kidding who here?

Well, granted my 0600 flight LAS-STL on Christmas morning was sparse on passengers, but I suggest you check the load for Flt 2203 STL-DFW same day. Full 757. Also, check the load for flt 1074 that day for DFW-MCO. Again, full 757.

Isnt that your job?
Workers often do show up sick and hope others can pick up the slack, is that fair to the other workers? By going in sick others have to work harder, get denied the chance to work OT and risk getting the same illness. The only one that makes out is the company. So when people are ill on the holiday they are more likely to call in sick because they know that more than likely they will be short staffed, so no one can pick up the slack.[/color]

F/As do not get paid extra for working extra hours. They just get paid for the hours they work, period. Sentence beginning with "So when people are ill..." makes no sense at all. Why would the fact that the company is short staffed make someone who is ill more or less likely to call in sick? Again, what purpose is served other than screwing over your co-workers if you are not really sick?

I'd be amazed at a F/A who didn't have multiple sick calls a year.

Well, I had oral surgery on 13DEC; so, I had to call in sick for my turn on the 14th. I did, however, work my 3-day beginning on the 17th. My sick call on the 14th was the first sick day I have used since 12APR2001.

Effective leadership will lower sick leave over time.

Leadership, effective or otherwise, has nothing to do with the unreasonable increase in sick calls on holidays. It has to do with lazy, inconsiderate f/as who hide behind the union to abuse their fellow f/as. When I was at Texaco, people were fired for always being sick during holiday periods. I'm not talking about once. But, when someone was sick the 3rd Christmas in a row, or the 5th July 4th in a row, or always when scheduled to work during Labor Day week, they were made available to the wider job market. There is a legal precedent in labor law for what is called patterns of behavior. You will not convince a court that it's just bad luck that you have been sick every Christmas since 1963.

 

[Bear96]

... they were made available to the wider job market.