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Any truth that a CLT heavy mech refused to work under P license because new contract states that heavy will only be paid for "A" license? Also, the no license pay while on vacation and sick is really round some personnel to a breaking point.
 
planejane said:
Any truth that a CLT heavy mech refused to work under P license because new contract states that heavy will only be paid for "A" license? Also, the no license pay while on vacation and sick is really round some personnel to a breaking point.
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This is an absolute fact. I know the guy in this story...and he did get fired for refusing to work on an engine issue.

Honestly...I admire the stance this individual took...but it was certainly bringing a knife to a gun fight in a lot of ways.

This was a very capable and respected person whom had just gotten his belly full...and moving on was goin to take place in one form or another.

CLT also had a mechanic get fired for refusing to allow the security guards check his bag before departing the building in that same week.
 
Not the smartest move.

I think everyone needs to take a good look at the FAR's under your P license to
see what work it covers..

If I remember correctly you are only under your P ticket if you are doing internal
work on the engine. External work like accy's falls under your A ticket.

Correct me if I am wrong. My memory is going back to A/P school and thats been a few years!

Since US Airways no longer does internal work on any of its engines not counting
fan blades and boroscope they guy might be in the wrong.. You can never refuse to do anything, refuse to sign no problem but you can't refuse to do work.

The best thing to do in a situation like that is take your sweet time.
 
You make a good point. FAR needs to be researched. Because there is a difference in changing an engine A/I valve and changing a VBV actuator. What falls where? Clarification through the FAR is what is needed. Sorry to hear the guy did lose his job but bravo for his stance. I know U mech wish him well.
 
I witnessed mgt walking him out... He did what a lot of us should do. Take a hard line and stick to it...Mgt. knows that if they push we will fold like a house of cards. No backing..!!

Also, they called him back in the next night to officially fire him. The latest out of CLT is no food or drinks on the hangar floor…. NOT EVEN COFFEE..!!

How’s 3rd shift gonna function..??
 
Smartest Loser said:
I witnessed mgt walking him out... He did what a lot of us should do. Take a hard line and stick to it...Mgt. knows that if they push we will fold like a house of cards. No backing..!!

Also, they called him back in the next night to officially fire him. The latest out of CLT is no food or drinks on the hangar floor…. NOT EVEN COFFEE..!!

How’s 3rd shift gonna function..??
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They will probally issue you a button and tell you to be happy! :huh:
 
Smartest Loser said:
I witnessed mgt walking him out... He did what a lot of us should do. Take a hard line and stick to it...Mgt. knows that if they push we will fold like a house of cards. No backing..!!

Also, they called him back in the next night to officially fire him. The latest out of CLT is no food or drinks on the hangar floor…. NOT EVEN COFFEE..!!

How’s 3rd shift gonna function..??
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sounds like pit hangar 5 crapola is spreading......
 
justaumechanic said:
I think everyone needs to take a good look at the FAR's under your P license to
see what work it covers..

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It's my understanding you do not need any license in hangar you can work under company license. Isn't that what they are doing in Alabama?
 
Bob Owens said:
And what is the mighty IAM doing for this guy?
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Bob ,

From what I know about this circumstance..The IAM or the US Supreme Court itself couldn't do "A Got Dang Thing" for this man.

The Story has it this way. The man was assigned work on the same engine on two back to back nights. The first night he refused to do it..cuz he wasn't getting paid for his "P Ticket" and they simply re-assigned him to other work. I guess the story went higher up during the course of the following day..then they purposely re-assigned him engine work the following night to see how he would react to it?

It's also my understanding , that on the second night of his refusing to perform the assigned work , His Foreman was instrcuted to send him home. Keep in mind...termination cannot come from a Foreman..it has to come from a Manager or above...so this is why they had him come all the way back to CLT for termination purposes.

BTW....I'm not defending either side of this story. We agreed to a sickly contract that gutted our license premiums , shift dfferentials and a zillion other things...and those that remain understand this for the most part. Then you have the isue of workintg under an FAA Repair Station certificate that for the most part in Heavy Maintenance trumps the need to have an actual A&P License.

Bottom Line....refusal to work an assigned task is grounds for termination...and I'm confident that this person knew what he was doing by pressing the issue from the get go.....and I'm sure he wouldn't come back even if the IAM could get his job back..or if the company had a forced change of heart , which they certainly won't.
 
Smartest Loser said:
Also, they called him back in the next night to officially fire him. The latest out of CLT is no food or drinks on the hangar floor…. NOT EVEN COFFEE..!! 

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I guess if hangar isn't air conditioned in summer there may be extra breaks for dehydration? Hmm do I smell a lawsuit after a preventable death?
 
The person was fired for insubordination, he refused twice in two days a direct order to accomplish a job card that involved engine work.

I believe he was advised after the 1st time what his choice could lead too.

I believe the Grievance Committee is handling it the appropriate way by filing the grievance and requesting a special hearing.

So you can take back your cheap shot.
 
justaumechanic said:
you are correct; any amt must obey direct orders ,if wrong he can agrieve it

ain't that right 700uw.

i blame the IAM for this abuse.

IAM :down: :down:
 
planejane said:
You make a good point. FAR needs to be researched. Because there is a difference in changing an engine A/I valve and changing a VBV actuator. What falls where? Clarification through the FAR is what is needed. Sorry to hear the guy did lose his job but bravo for his stance. I know U mech wish him well.

planejane; yes i wish him/her the very best however, anyone that works for usair knows that if we refuse a direct order ITS GROUNDS FOR GETTING FIRED ON THE SPOT.
ALL ENGINE WORK FALLS UNDER P LICENSE ,EXCEPT COWL REMOVAL AND INSTALLATION. the mech might have been right, however disobeying a direct order was a fallacy of tremendous consequences for him .knowing the crap union we have i doubt he will get his job back.

b.t.w. din't you GOT FIRED 2 OR 3 TIMES ?

IAM :down:
 
PineyBob said:
I find it both sad and interesting that the only group that did not reach a consensual agreement with the company seems to be having the greatest difficulty in terms of job losses and discipline issues.

Notice in this post I'm NOT casting blame. It serves no purpose. Somebody lost his job at best temporarlly, at worst permanently all because CCY & IAM couldn't do a deal.

If the parties involved don't get past the cycle of confrontation/retaliation then it will hasten if not cause the demise of US Airways.

This has got to stop, management and labor MUST find a way to co-exist.
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There you go again jumping to conclusions based on one case and what you read on here. When are you going to stop sticking your nose in others affairs that you have no idea about?

Why does this have to stop and why MUST they find a way to co-exist? Because you want you precious miles secured?
 

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