Dec 2012/Jan 2013 IAM Fleet Service Discussions

[cltrat]

B scale gone for a decade now,anyone that was hired in on B scale was placed on A scale in '03.

I suppose US hired guys at top pay?

JFK there is only one pay scale since the current CBA has been used.
no one to my knowledge ever started topped out current top out time is 12 years up from 10 in the former CBA, there may have been some hired into tower jobs that got more than starting pay but no where near top out.

What is top out at AA now and number of years to get there? How much more do leads or crew chiefs get?

 

[wings396]

Just would like to add that the Class 1 & 2 pay was a product of a BK contract that started in early 2005, and ran thru mid 2008.
The BK contract of 2003 brought several stations to a newly created classification called Mainline Express (MLE),and lowered them to an all time low of $13.01 an hour. As I said before the extra penny was to keep the members in the higher dues bracket even though they had just had $7 an hour whacked from their wages. In 2005 those in the MLE stations were Lucky, as the IAM brass told us to be brought up to Class 2 status, only to be outsourced within a few short months of moving up. They did tell us that our step up to class 2 status would boost our severance pay and UE benefits when we lost our jobs...
Nice......And it's a wonder why many have no faith in this union and/or it's leadership.

 

[ograc]

Just would like to add that the Class 1 & 2 pay was a product of a BK contract that started in early 2005, and ran thru mid 2008.
The BK contract of 2003 brought several stations to a newly created classification called Mainline Express (MLE),and lowered them to an all time low of $13.01 an hour. As I said before the extra penny was to keep the members in the higher dues bracket even though they had just had $7 an hour whacked from their wages. In 2005 those in the MLE stations were Lucky, as the IAM brass told us to be brought up to Class 2 status, only to be outsourced within a few short months of moving up. They did tell us that our step up to class 2 status would boost our severance pay and UE benefits when we lost our jobs...
Nice......And it's a wonder why many have no faith in this union and/or it's leadership.

Little faith in unions, leadership and the members they represent I might add.

 

[ChockJockey]

Why was the West on Express wages to begin with?

Beats me. Sure sucked though. As for people lamenting the voting of youngsters, let me just say it's silly to think that new hires should beholden themselves to the mistakes and concessions made by the HP and US fleet long before their arrival. We were brought on at higher pay than the HP folks and that made a lot of them openly hostile to us.

Hell with the West getting pay parity.... How about ALL the EAST Stations getting Parity !!!!! The Class II citites on the East along with the West, voted in the contract. The Class II cities on the East were sold down the river by the Class I's. How did it work out for BDL & PIT by the way ?????

Not too good by the looks of it. I had nothing to do with the dual-class system in the East, that was a bed made long before I showed up. All I know is I didn't join a union to undersell my labor.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Little faith in unions, leadership and the members they represent I might add.

That is true. If it was true just with our membership then I would be concerned, but I believe it is true with most workgroups. Little activity, etc. IMO, I think it is a culture shift in this country due to many things that compete with our time. It may not be that our members are not interested, but rather they are time constrained. I think the internet, text messaging, cell phones, video games, madden football, etc., consume and compete more with every day life than they should. How to keep or get the membership engaged is the question. Such a question isn't exclusive to labor unions but also churches and other organizations that have to deal with the technology of this world. Incorporating the technology has been one model of success. IMO, the IAM has done perhaps the crudiest job of incorporating technology. Some say it is intended so elections and attendance stays down, others say the IAM just doesn't have professionals that understand culture shifts and how to keep the organization relevant. IMO, union membership is down, not because of the laws, but because the union leadership employs caveman paternal means, as opposed to the more current models that exist in successful organizations. And they still use a caveman club instead of techno savy tools. It's an academic exercise to tackle these sorta problems but I think unions like the SEIU, ALPA, and even the IBT [although barely] have moved their organizations culturally forward, as opposed to the IAM which is seriously stuck in the Jurassic era. At any rate, none of the above is political, it's just my view on what is wrong with the infrastructure and whether the IAM's lack of progress is intentional to oppress, or if it is just ignorant, is anybody's guess. But imo it is intentional since other unions have advanced and models exist. Churches have to figure out how to keep folks in the pews, unions have to figure out how to keep folks engaged and maybe at the Local meetings.

 

[JFK Fleet Service]

We top out at $21.16 per,ten year top out.Crew chiefs as of now make $23.25,$2.09 per hour more.

Crew chief qualified clerks receive a $1.75 per hour premium when utilized as a crew chief.

 

[mike33]

For You Freedom

From John Donnelly
To Bobby Gless

Re: Twu / US Neg

"– To begin the meeting, US Airways negotiators congratulated the TWU for doing such great work preserving jobs. They would never have allowed an agreement with a 35% outsourcing cap, they said. They fully expected the TWU to simply agree and sign an MOU that they had written, which included no money. "

"– The TWU did not “trade” profit sharing for the pay increase. US Airways was adamant that an MOU that contained any money for our members would require removal of the profit sharing provision. "

Do You know why ??? have you even thought about it...

The original PS was 15%.......so this from the TWU MOU doesnt really equate by taking 4.3% vs 15%

– Under the AMR-TWU formula, 5% of pretax profit will first be placed in a pool for distribution to all AMR employees as a lump sum. If the company earns a billion dollars, for example, 5% of that profit ($50 million) would be put into a profit sharing pool to be divided among all company employees. Since the TWU represents about 25% of the company payroll, our share would be $12.5 million. For the average TWU member this would mean about $625 as a onetime payment. By comparison, a 4.3% pay increase for an AMT is $1.20 per hour, or over $2500 per year in his paycheck, guaranteed. This 4.3% will also compound every year with other pay increases, so has a permanent and increasing value that profit sharing does not."

 

[wings396]

The base pay is pretty close, I think its at $20.58, with a whopping $1.01 more for a lead. If an agt works a lead shift they get the $1.01 as well.

 

[mike33]

Do You know why ??? have you even thought about it...

The original PS was 15%.......so this from the TWU MOU doesnt really equate by taking 4.3% vs 15%

– Under the AMR-TWU formula, 5% of pretax profit will first be placed in a pool for distribution to all AMR employees as a lump sum. If the company earns a billion dollars, for example, 5% of that profit ($50 million) would be put into a profit sharing pool to be divided among all company employees. Since the TWU represents about 25% of the company payroll, our share would be $12.5 million. For the average TWU member this would mean about $625 as a onetime payment. By comparison, a 4.3% pay increase for an AMT is $1.20 per hour, or over $2500 per year in his paycheck, guaranteed. This 4.3% will also compound every year with other pay increases, so has a permanent and increasing value that profit sharing does not."

With all that calculation of theirs, i see the $2500 amt as more like $6000-$8000 and i think DP and the boys know that!

 

[freedom]

First I have one question , am I the only one who's enter button refuses to work once it's in the message box ... ( this is the reason everything I've written is one super large paragraph) .. Second I've taken a look over at the AA board , and for such a large airline , they sure are very quite online ... I couldn't even find a fleet service thread over there .

 

[mike33]

First I have one question , am I the only one who's enter button refuses to work once it's in the message box ... ( this is the reason everything I've written is one super large paragraph) .. Second I've taken a look over at the AA board , and for such a large airline , they sure are very quite online ... I couldn't even find a fleet service thread over there .

Because they are lumped into one contract. More ore less so they refer to TWU as a whole

 

[mike33]

The original PS was 15%.......so this from the TWU MOU doesnt really equate by taking 4.3% vs 15%

"The company initially proposed profit sharing of 15 percent for all of our people. However, we reallocated
some of the proposed profit sharing income to increase pay rates to address the concerns and priorities
that matter most to our Flight Attendants, Agents, Reps and Planners, and our TWU-represented
employees. We were able to do so because the company is confident in our business plan and the profits
it will generate. Maintaining employee participation in the profit sharing plan is also a priority, as all
employees should benefit from the future success of American."


[background=rgb(252, 252, 252)]"The worthless union traded most of the profit sharing for the current bankruptcy agreement. AA offered 15% of first dollar profits, pilots traded away 10% for slightly higher pay and thanks to the me-too provisions, everyone else only got 5% of first dollar profits. I believe that the pilots also gave away their 5% for their MOU. So the AA unions, including the worthless union, give away any potential to share if things turn out profitably."[/background]

 

[JFK Fleet Service]

Because they are lumped into one contract. More ore less so they refer to TWU as a whole

No.There are separate contracts for fleet service, maintenance and stores.Separate locals as well as negotiations.

The AA board on this forum somehow turned into an aircraft maintenance litterbox.

 

[mike33]

No.There are separate contracts for fleet service, maintenance and stores.Separate locals as well as negotiations.

The AA board on this forum somehow turned into an aircraft maintenance litterbox.

Yeah thats a better way of putting it. I responded too quickly....Thx

 

[JFK Fleet Service]

You're cutting and pasting posted replies in with the actual MOU language there Mike.

The MOU provides the initial 4.3% on effective date and 2.10% per on 9/12 for the next 5 years.So on effective date the rate becomes $22.07 and on September 12 2013 another 2.10% kicks in,bumping TOS rate to $22.53 per hour,an increase of 6.40% in 2013 alone.In this economy, not too shabby all things considered.

Bottom line, the AA profit sharing formula was rather 'optimistic' at best.For me, I prefer to have hourly rate increases as they are always there and when I work OT or pick up shifts it will be reflected in the paycheck.

Since apparently the US negotiators considered any profit sharing a non starter as they claim it isn't paid out across all groups over there, I'm not that upset with what the TWU came away with.Especially when I see that the Airways types expected them to simply smile and sign a blank check.

As always, your mileage may vary.