Dec 2012/Jan 2013 IAM Fleet Service Discussions

[cltrat]

We top out at $21.16 per,ten year top out.Crew chiefs as of now make $23.25,$2.09 per hour more.

Crew chief qualified clerks receive a $1.75 per hour premium when utilized as a crew chief.

'' thanks for the knowledge JFK
good luck to all of us at both airlines if this mess happens

 

[mike33]

You're cutting and pasting posted replies in with the actual MOU language there Mike.

Yes i am posting the already researched replies. All Monies gotten should be based on 80 hr paychecks really. Not everyone works overtime to make up any differences. I'm sure AA was optomistic regarding their plan but with the synergies of a merger?.....DP know this and i would expect him too.

 

[JFK Fleet Service]

We're paid weekly,and I seldom do overtime,as I've always preferred to pick up hours via trade that are locked in instead of hoping they get to me on the overtime list.

I prefer the sure thing,not much of a gambler anymore.

 

[ograc]

Could someone shed some light on the internal structure of the TWU. With the IAM each station is assigned to an IAM Local Lodge. The local, however, has no jurisdiction over the enforcement of individual contracts. The negotiation and enforcement of individual contracts is handled by respective districts. Each station is assigned a representative from the district (Assistant General Chairperson) to assist with unresolved grievances. These are elected full time positions with the union. Each District has elected full time officers from President, Secretary Treasurer and so on. The Districts fall under the jurisdiction of the the Grand Lodge or International. I am unfamiliar with the internal structure of the TWU. Is it similar?

 

[737823]

As were other unions and politicians who have nothing to do with the IAM.

You are a financial person, you post misinformation on a consistant basis.

And this thread is about US fleet Service, not DL, not NW, not about Buffenbarger.

Go back and worship your idol tim and spread more misinformation.

UA IAM CBA vs CO IBT CBA

http://www.voteiam.c...on.Combined.pdf

Easy to cherry pick facts that make your case, consider the source. You kept touting how the CO FAs had high pay rates but there is more to a contract than simply pay rates. The fact is AFA provides the UA FAs better benefits, job protection, and work rules. This is Kev's mantra, you have been around here long enough to know that.

Also I heard US is cutting personnel in BOS. Will there be another RIF? I remember US closed several bases here a few years back.

Josh

 

[700UW]

Once again this thread is about US fleet service, not UA and the AFA.

 

[ograc]

You're cutting and pasting posted replies in with the actual MOU language there Mike.

The MOU provides the initial 4.3% on effective date and 2.10% per on 9/12 for the next 5 years.So on effective date the rate becomes $22.07 and on September 12 2013 another 2.10% kicks in,bumping TOS rate to $22.53 per hour,an increase of 6.40% in 2013 alone.In this economy, not too shabby all things considered.

Bottom line, the AA profit sharing formula was rather 'optimistic' at best.For me, I prefer to have hourly rate increases as they are always there and when I work OT or pick up shifts it will be reflected in the paycheck.

Since apparently the US negotiators considered any profit sharing a non starter as they claim it isn't paid out across all groups over there, I'm not that upset with what the TWU came away with.Especially when I see that the Airways types expected them to simply smile and sign a blank check.

As always, your mileage may vary.

Outside of wages that are locked in for five years plus what else does the MOU include? What about scope, medical benefits, grievance procedures, change of control and countless other issues? Wings was right... throw a little money toward hourly wage and we historically and continue to buy the whole package. Then we turn around and blame the union. It could be argued some blame should fall on a union that allows this agenda. This merged company stands to make countless millions in profits for years while we are stuck with 2.10% wage increases for the next five years plus. We need to stop being so narrow minded and realizing there is much more to a MOU or contract than just hourly wage. The company certainly realizes this.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Outside of wages that are locked in for five years plus what else does the MOU include? What about scope, medical benefits, grievance procedures, change of control and countless other issues? Wings was right... throw a little money toward hourly wage and we historically and continue to buy the whole package. Then we turn around and blame the union. It could be argued some blame should fall on a union that allows this agenda. This merged company stands to make countless millions in profits for years while we are stuck with 2.10% wage increases for the next five years plus. We need to stop being so narrow minded and realizing there is much more to a MOU or contract than just hourly wage. The company certainly realizes this.

I think the blame against the union bosses comes in when the union bosses themselves sign the contracts then push the contracts very hard as the last and best contract offer. Aferwards there are two sayings that are automatic with unaccountable labor unions, "the union made me do it," and "You voted for the damn thing". The last one is a 700 staple. regards,

 

[john john]

Beats me. Sure sucked though.

History repeats itself

 

[JFK Fleet Service]

Outside of wages that are locked in for five years plus what else does the MOU include? What about scope, medical benefits, grievance procedures, change of control and countless other issues? Wings was right... throw a little money toward hourly wage and we historically and continue to buy the whole package. Then we turn around and blame the union. It could be argued some blame should fall on a union that allows this agenda. This merged company stands to make countless millions in profits for years while we are stuck with 2.10% wage increases for the next five years plus. We need to stop being so narrow minded and realizing there is much more to a MOU or contract than just hourly wage. The company certainly realizes this.

Actually the existing TWU CBA remains in effect at AA until the parties negotiate a JCBA.Articles 2, 3 & 4 of the MOU.You will continue to operate under your existing CBA.

Read the actual MOU here: http://twubkfacts.org/LinkClick.aspx?fileticket=GtnHTSw6fVw%3d&tabid=1494


As for the "Countless millions" the merged company stands to make, look at UA/CAL,have they made any millions to share with their respective employees so far?

Ease off the lecturing tone professor, I didn't start in this industry last week.

 

[ograc]

Actually the existing TWU CBA remains in effect at AA until the parties negotiate a JCBA.Articles 2, 3 & 4 of the MOU.You will continue to operate under your existing CBA.

Read the actual MOU here: http://twubkfacts.or...fVw=&tabid=1494


As for the "Countless millions" the merged company stands to make, look at UA/CAL,have they made any millions to share with their respective employees so far?

Ease off the lecturing tone professor, I didn't start in this industry last week.

Nor did I. Have witnessed history repeat itself with this group for over 3 decades. You witnessed yourself when you posted your co workers, when reviewing the MOU before voting, were flipping right to the compensation Article without looking at anything else. More information and educating is what this group needs. We seem to be making the same mistakes over and over. I apologize if I come across as lecturing. I know I'm preaching to the choir. If there weren't millions in profit to be made DP wouldn't be pursuing a merger.

 

[freedom]

[sub]I for one am not interested in profit sharing , and am more than happy to trade it away for a higher hourly wage .. as the JFK has said its better to make more via overtime and picked up hours ....

Please remember orgac that AA is in BK , the members have different priorities than we do , many of them are concentered about providing for their families , so i'm sure right now the main thing their looking at is compensation ... what we must focus on is making sure that Management doesn't divide them between class one and class two citites like they did with us [/sub]

 

[cltrat]

[sub] what we must focus on is making sure that Management doesn't divide them between class one and class two citites like they did with us [/sub]

seriously? is that all you think there is to worry about with this merger fiasco ?

why do I have this visual in my head of Charlie Brown slapping his forehead and saying Good grief!

 

[ograc]

[sub]I for one am not interested in profit sharing , and am more than happy to trade it away for a higher hourly wage .. as the JFK has said its better to make more via overtime and picked up hours ....

Please remember orgac that AA is in BK , the members have different priorities than we do , many of them are concentered about providing for their families , so i'm sure right now the main thing their looking at is compensation ... what we must focus on is making sure that Management doesn't divide them between class one and class two citites like they did with us [/sub]

There is more to providing for their families than just compensation. Scope, contracting out work, medical benefits to name a few. It's not going to do their families much good if they vote for a MOU or contract that provides 1-2 dollars more per hour but also affords the company the ability to contract out their work and job. 1-2 dollars more per hour but your medical benefit contribution just doubled. Hypothetical of course. Focus should be on the entire agreement or contract.

 

[freedom]

seriously? is that all you think there is to worry about with this merger fiasco ?

why do I have this visual in my head of Charlie Brown slapping his forehead and saying Good grief!

There are many things to worry about ......but then again i'm not that "Worried" all of us here have JUST been through a merger ..... you know what they say , experience is the best teacher ..... Even you CLTrat are wise to the ways of what happens in mergers ......

As long as we make sure to forcefully assert ourselves in joint talks , I think we will do well .....What we lack in numbers WE MUST MAKE UP IN SHEER DETERMINATION ... orac was right about the Memebership not being involved as they could be , but lucky for us , between the two work groups we are much more connected and teach savy ... US Airways has more connected workers than any other airline out there , and I can assure you as we get closer to contract talks , more new members will join, more people will come and lurk , as always happens ..