Dec 2012 / Jan 2013 US Pilots Labor Discussion

[nic4us]

Mitch Vaselino, ace lawyer. Still no concept of ripeness. Still no grasp of internal union process. The last stand argument, "NO LUP"

Hey it's claxhole again......

Man do you look stupid right about now.

Not only does usapa have no LUP, but the thing they really do have is the Nic, as the only system seniority list at LCC.

It seems as though they were unable to rewrite the seniority list, get their rewrite into a contract, and avoid all challenge prior to their demise.

Bye, bye uscaba!

 

[Claxon]

Hey it's claxhole again......

Man do you look stupid right about now.

Not only does usapa have no LUP, but the thing they really do have is the Nic, as the only system seniority list at LCC.

It seems as though they were unable to rewrite the seniority list, get their rewrite into a contract, and avoid all challenge prior to their demise.

Bye, bye uscaba!

Nice new buzzword! Too bad your opinion of it is just that. An opinion. You Legitimate Purpose is parroting everything that idiot Cleardirect says.

 

[signals]

"They held info picketing to be laughed at by the media."
http://www.reviewjou...e-2002/business

/19793554.html

Pilots from America West Airlines picketed outside McCarran International Airport Monday as part of a three-city protest designed to pressure airline management into settling a nearly 3-year-old labor dispute.

So basically for Move and the douche boys, this labor dispute is going on 14 years! Hmmmmm...1999. Isn't that the year HP was attempting to merge with United?

Leopards really don't change their spots.

 

[signals]

I hear the APA TA deal passed by better than 95%, let's hope we don't merge. http://aviationblog....econd-try.html/ Luv this part, "The pilots on Aug. 8 had rejected a previous proposal, known as American’s “last, best and final offer,” Looks like another bad day for Dougie!!!

I said it all along that APA was just using Doug. He was the proverbial "bargaining chip!" I think everybody but Doug, merger cheerleaders, the WEST, were the only ones in the dark. I hear Move the douche is still in denial.

 

[Freighterguynow]

Merger is ON.

Poor little Loenidas - lived up to their name circa 2012.

 

[cactusboy53]

It's always both heartwarming and inspirational to see such a fine and truly deserving specimen of selfless "Integrity", nobility of purpose, and of course "righteousness" to the very soul's core, properly expound on their personal enlightenment (or is that "entitlement"?) for the benefit of impure and lesser mortals everywhere... 🙂

Have fun in PHX "Sunshine". I understand that there's an unlimited amount of that there, to try and blow at people. 😉

cactusboy53: "It will be even better when I can bid the Captain seat in CLT, PHL or DCA..." Immediately below, speaking of blowing sunshine around: "Good for you. You got yours. That is all that counts" ..and any notions of the wholesale irony seem completely lost. 😉 Seriously; some of you west people couldn't be written into kids' comic books as even slightly believable characters. 🙂

Here's the difference (as though you have to be schooled...again). My captain upgrade (and those upgrades that belong to any AWA pilot) were done by acquisition and merging of the companies. Thence via an agreed upon process to its conclusion.

The upgrades you boys are crowing about are based on deception, lying, thievery, manipulation & good old skullduggery.

The interesting thing is the APA, UAL, CAL, SWA, DAL, and everyone else in the commercial aviation community knows it, and you don't care. Your families know it and you don't care. Your friends know it, and you don't care. Most importantly the Creator knows it, and you don't care.

USAPA's actions (both direct & indirect) against the AWA pilot group will go down in the commercial aviation history books as one of the most vile and disgusting acts against fellow aviators.

BTW, I'm not crying a Wye River because all you had to offer there was.....wait for it .......wait for it......DATE OF HIRE (big stinkin' surprise). Justice will be served, sooner or later.

Hey here's an idea: Keep crowing about your wins. It is one of the many things that we can count upon from you.

 

[EastUS1]

Here's the difference (as though you have to be schooled...again). My captain upgrade .....

"My captain upgrade ....."? Sounds like it hasn't actually happened...? I'm thinking that THERE'S the reality-based difference. Umm...."(as though you have to be schooled...again)"..."again"? Exactly when was it that you first imagined your bunch has at all "schooled" ANY of us? 🙂 You haven't so much as even found your way out of PHX/Fantasyland yet...with maps and directions, even GPS data, graciously forwarded for over five years that you simply and willfully choose to disregard. Keep up that schooling though. 😉

cactusboy53: "The upgrades you boys are crowing about are based on deception, lying, thievery, manipulation & good old skullduggery." That's wholesale and unmitigated BS, nay; out right lying (which IS a bit shocking, coming from a west paradigm of virtue, "Integrity"/etc, ad nauseum) The regained seats and/or any upgrades are based on the years worked of those receiving them. I'll cheerfully leave all the opportunistic, infantile notions of whiny-arsed entitlement to you and your merry little tribe of self-styled "spartans" and heroic little "knights" of the burning sands. 😉

Wow!...I mean...Whew!...Some of your literally insane BS is nothing short of stunning! = cactusboy53: "The interesting thing is the APA, UAL, CAL, SWA, DAL, and everyone else in the commercial aviation community knows it, and you don't care. Your families know it and you don't care. Your friends know it, and you don't care. Most importantly the Creator knows it, and you don't care." So...while it's long been held by your folks that "the rest of the world" universally loathes all out east and loves all out west: Now even God Allmighty is a fervent supporter of your "holy" little "crusade" out there? Wow!...So the nic is now His Will as well?...

Let me see if I've got this right = You're not merely "entitled" to jump ahead of at least a decade more years worked of others, for purposes of purely your own greed, but it's now ordained by God Himself that you should "righteously" do so?...Umm...have you EVER spoken with a psychiatrist?...If not; you definately SHOULD do so ASAP!!!

 

[Claxon]

Here's the difference (as though you have to be schooled...again). My captain upgrade (and those upgrades that belong to any AWA pilot) were done by acquisition and merging of the companies. Thence via an agreed upon process to its conclusion.

The upgrades you boys are crowing about are based on deception, lying, thievery, manipulation & good old skullduggery.

The interesting thing is the APA, UAL, CAL, SWA, DAL, and everyone else in the commercial aviation community knows it, and you don't care. Your families know it and you don't care. Your friends know it, and you don't care. Most importantly the Creator knows it, and you don't care.

USAPA's actions (both direct & indirect) against the AWA pilot group will go down in the commercial aviation history books as one of the most vile and disgusting acts against fellow aviators.

BTW, I'm not crying a Wye River because all you had to offer there was.....wait for it .......wait for it......DATE OF HIRE (big stinkin' surprise). Justice will be served, sooner or later.

Hey here's an idea: Keep crowing about your wins. It is one of the many things that we can count upon from you.

Here is what the rest of the industry knows about your America West operation. Nothing has changed. This is what all airline families know about your history. How things have not changed. You are still trying to take jobs you never earned. It is your legacy.


I encourage all of you with an interest in seeing Australia and doing some very interesting flying in this "Land Down Under", to contact the flight manager's office or contact any one of the people who have seen the situation FIRST HAND for the straight story. Of course, I am not so naive as to think that the pilots at America West who insist on stirring the foul smelling bucket of discontent will take the time, but I am sure they couldn't see the forest for the trees anyway.
It is also worthy to mention that we at America West owe a great deal to
Ansett Airlines and Sir Peter Abeles. We have benefited from a large
amount of equipment from them (much of which was purchased at below market rates) and, also, we have a very large percentage of our company's stock in their hands that needs to be protected from the Donald Trumps of the world. I might also mention that the Australian operation contributes a sizable chunk to our bottom line. We will likely see an increase to our fleet size as a direct result, and we are surely putting ourselves in a position to someday have 747 service into Sydney and Melbourne.
Love him or hate him, Mike Conway is right about this, "We cannot afford to make policy and run this company based on the Jumpseat." His words not mine.
But, I agree and support his decision to send us to Australia. I am proud of the accomplishments we made and the professional manner with which we made them. Ansett Airlines has learned a lot from us about operating a deregulated airline.

 

[Claxon]

No, sorry." I said assuming he was an Air 2000 pilot.
"Ah ha! You’re with America West," he cackled gleefully.
Fire bells should have gone off already, but Max and I looked at each other and shrugged our shoulders saying, "Yes. How did you know?"
"It was your accent," he said with the look of a hawk eyeing a road kill.
It was too late. There was no going back now.
"And you’re with the Federation," I winced.
Well, to make a long story shorter, he was and so were all fifty of the rest of them, who filed in behind us in the space of a couple of minutes.
Max, realizing the danger, edged over towards me and lifted his case of beer from my shoulder.
Triage.
The Federale smiled.

 

[traderjake]

The interesting thing is the APA, UAL, CAL, SWA, DAL, and everyone else in the commercial aviation community knows it, and you don't care. Your families know it and you don't care. Your friends know it, and you don't care. Most importantly the Creator knows it, and you don't care.

USAPA's actions (both direct & indirect) against the AWA pilot group will go down in the commercial aviation history books as one of the most vile and disgusting acts against fellow aviators.

It's truly amazing for how little money some people will sell their souls.

 

[end_of_alpa]

It's truly amazing for how little money some people will sell their souls.

Yeah.....funny.

Pot meet.....kettle.

 

[Black Swan]

Here's the difference (as though you have to be schooled...again). My captain upgrade (and those upgrades that belong to any AWA pilot) were done by acquisition and merging of the companies. Thence via an agreed upon process to its conclusion.

The upgrades you boys are crowing about are based on deception, lying, thievery, manipulation & good old skullduggery.

The interesting thing is the APA, UAL, CAL, SWA, DAL, and everyone else in the commercial aviation community knows it, and you don't care. Your families know it and you don't care. Your friends know it, and you don't care. Most importantly the Creator knows it, and you don't care.

USAPA's actions (both direct & indirect) against the AWA pilot group will go down in the commercial aviation history books as one of the most vile and disgusting acts against fellow aviators.

BTW, I'm not crying a Wye River because all you had to offer there was.....wait for it .......wait for it......DATE OF HIRE (big stinkin' surprise). Justice will be served, sooner or later.

Hey here's an idea: Keep crowing about your wins. It is one of the many things that we can count upon from you.

OK, I can take most of it, but now the CREATOR is mad at us? Time for you to launch the Leonidas Satellite again, spread the word. The other one must have dropped out of orbit......All clips courtesy of the Marty Harper Leondias PHX Roadshow, 2012 and Mrs. Harper

 

[end_of_alpa]

Here's the difference (as though you have to be schooled...again). My captain upgrade (and those upgrades that belong to any AWA pilot) were done by acquisition and merging of the companies. Thence via an agreed upon process to its conclusion.

The upgrades you boys are crowing about are based on deception, lying, thievery, manipulation & good old skullduggery.

The interesting thing is the APA, UAL, CAL, SWA, DAL, and everyone else in the commercial aviation community knows it, and you don't care. Your families know it and you don't care. Your friends know it, and you don't care. Most importantly the Creator knows it, and you don't care.

USAPA's actions (both direct & indirect) against the AWA pilot group will go down in the commercial aviation history books as one of the most vile and disgusting acts against fellow aviators.

BTW, I'm not crying a Wye River because all you had to offer there was.....wait for it .......wait for it......DATE OF HIRE (big stinkin' surprise). Justice will be served, sooner or later.

Hey here's an idea: Keep crowing about your wins. It is one of the many things that we can count upon from you.

Yes, the world revolves around our little disagreement. Yes, little in the grand scheme of life.

 

[nycbusdriver]

OK, I can take most of it, but now the CREATOR is mad at us? Time for you to launch the Leonidas Satellite again, spread the word. The other one must have dropped out of orbit.

They love sloganeering. Now that they brought the Creator into it, do you think the next westicle slogan to come down the pike will be: "Gott Mit Uns"?

 

[cactusboy53]

OK, I can take most of it, but now the CREATOR is mad at us? Time for you to launch the Leonidas Satellite again, spread the word. The other one must have dropped out of orbit......All clips courtesy of the Marty Harper Leondias PHX Roadshow, 2012 and Mrs. Harper

Crack a book, actually THE book:

Proverbs 26:26, Matthew 10:26, Luke 8:17. YES, all of our actions are on record (mine too). If you don't believe, so be it. If you do, I would be truly concerned if I were you.

The Leonidas site has never gone down, nor gone away. The forum that is attached to that is there for ANY US Airways pilot that wishes to discuss our issues out in the open. It is the place where you can read all of the Nicolau award & all of the legal filings is this paper chase to Date of Hire. Come and visit us: www.cactuspilot.com

Clips you say? How about all the clips in PHX where Bradford comes out to tell us that USAPA will have a NEW seniority list based on DOH? It also includes Lee Seham: https://www.youtube....h?v=-xO8PnZWWnE

CB