Dec 2012 / Jan 2013 US Pilots Labor Discussion

[Claxon]

So that is the legacy. The best that usapa can do. Keeping the west at bay

Is that really the purpose of a union to keep 1/3 of the members at bay while 2/3 get all the benefits?

How very union of you. NOT!

Not keeping you at bay, keeping you in PHX. Sometimes you forget you brought a losing hub to the mix. 1/4 of your routes are former East.

(west pay 142 - DC plan - profit sharing -jumpseat weight and balance equals 100 per hour.)

 

[Claxon]

There's that famous Eastie Integrity! After spending a career getting #### slapped by Karma every year one would think you'd be able to connect the dots on your own. But you can't. Karma has more lessons for you. Big ones. Soon.

At least you have your Army of Lyingitas updates to keep your hopes alive, er, never mind there has not been one since November 1st.

http://www.cactuspilot.com/

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

Sorry but I don't consider 19 days Reserve at $125 making money.

Good for you if you do.

So the issue is , "what you consider" ! I consider making money, is making money, options are options, you have an option to make more, your choice! BTW some below us don't have that choice, I will thank you for them for passing it on, other than that your bich'n about the money you make falls on deaf ears! MM!

 

[cleardirect]

So then; the obvious and true purpose of any union should be to make only a minority portion of it's membership happy, at the expense of the majority? I see. 😉

cleardirect "...while 2/3 get all the benefits?" Now I'm confused. Whatever happened to "You can live on LOA93 forever!"...?

What laughably passes for "logic" out west never ceases to both amaze and amuse. 😉

Once again you miss the point. A union is suppose to benefit ALL members not just the minority or majority.

But in your world 50% is good enough.

Remember that attitude when the APA takes over. No complaining.

 

[cleardirect]

Not keeping you at bay, keeping you in PHX. Sometimes you forget you brought a losing hub to the mix. 1/4 of your routes are former East.

(west pay 142 - DC plan - profit sharing -jumpseat weight and balance equals 100 per hour.)

You brought a broke airline about to go out of business and 1700 furloughed pilots.

All your hubs were losing money.

Don't forget that.

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

Once again you miss the point. A union is suppose to benefit ALL members not just the minority or majority.

But in your world 50% is good enough.

Remember that attitude when the APA takes over. No complaining.

WTF, let us summarize your thoughts, The majority is always wrong, and the minority is never right! Bout sums up your logic! MM Don't you just luv BCS bowl season! GOTTA LUV IT! ROLL TIDE!

 

[EastUS1]

Once again you miss the point.

Remember that attitude when the APA takes over. No complaining.

Once again, and as always; you have no point....but I promise that I'll try to have many sleepless nights over the APA in the times to come. Heck!...I'm surprised I haven't already! None can doubt that they, along with "the rest of the world", as so often loudly claimed by your group, are all doing little else than wondering how best to punish the evil easties, and both elevate and enshrine the sacred "Knights Who Say Nic" out west. Happy now? 🙂

 

[cleardirect]

Well, we kept you people at bay for almost 6 years now, and we are reaping the attrition we brought to the table (and keeping you the f... out of it.)

And, yes. It was very expensive. Glad you paid for both sides of it while your lawsuits dragged it on.

Is usapa going to make that same argument with APA? Attrition. Better be careful with that American has about 3 times the attrition. Some arbitrator may believe it and give the APA boys what you think you are entitled to.

I was not talking about the legal cost. I was talking about the hundreds of millions you east pilots have cost all of us by not getting a contract.

 

[traderjake]

BTW some below us don't have that choice, I will thank you for them for passing it on, other than that your bich'n about the money you make falls on deaf ears!

Are they deaf and dumb?

They do have a choice, quit trying to rewrite the seniority list and then get a contract.

 

[nevergiveup]

Is usapa going to make that same argument with APA? Attrition. Better be careful with that American has about 3 times the attrition. Some arbitrator may believe it and give the APA boys what you think you are entitled to.

I was not talking about the legal cost. I was talking about the hundreds of millions you east pilots have cost all of us by not getting a contract.

Should have agreed to a fence.....wait.....we've been over this before....never mind.

 

[nycbusdriver]

So then; the obvious and true purpose of any union should be to make only a minority portion of it's membership happy, at the expense of the majority? I see. 😉

cleardirect "...while 2/3 get all the benefits?" Now I'm confused. Whatever happened to "You can live on LOA93 forever!"...?

What laughably passes for "logic" out west never ceases to both amaze and amuse. 😉

EXACTLY!

 

[EastUS1]

Some arbitrator may believe it.......

Gasp!!!...You can NOT POSSIBLY now, be even at all suggesting that the glorious results of whimsical arbitration could in ANY way, shape or form, EVER produce anything other than righteous perfection it's self and "karmic" harmony throughout the universe as a result of the sacred process?!?...Say it's not so!!!....? 😉

Thanks for yet more good chuckles today. 🙂

PS: cleardirect "I was not talking about the legal cost. I was talking about the hundreds of millions you east pilots have cost all of us by not getting a contract" I don't see your problem there. After all; won't any real or imaginary losses be more than made up for by the "Billions in damages" nic4us and others have stated you're certain to receive? 😉

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

Are they deaf and dumb?

They do have a choice, quit trying to rewrite the seniority list and then get a contract.

DAN, really, we don't have to do anything, all sections of the contract are open subject to ratification, vote accordingly! Good game goin BGSU and SJSU! A LGU PURPOSE "CONTRACT RATIFICATION" imagine that!

 

[Claxon]

You brought a broke airline about to go out of business and 1700 furloughed pilots.

All your hubs were losing money.

Don't forget that.

Who has the most furloughed now and why?

 

[Claxon]

Is usapa going to make that same argument with APA? Attrition. Better be careful with that American has about 3 times the attrition. Some arbitrator may believe it and give the APA boys what you think you are entitled to.

This will not go to arbitration. There will be an agreement between USAPA and APA.