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Dec 2012 / Jan 2013 US Pilots Labor Discussion

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You brought a broke airline about to go out of business and 1700 furloughed pilots.

All your hubs were losing money.

Don't forget that.

That was a long, long time ago. So far back nobody even remembers what the Nicolau list meant, or what it was. It was just something that never was used is what I recall about it. Just some idea that got discarded on the way to an American merger.
 
This will not go to arbitration. There will be an agreement between USAPA and APA.
Agreed. APA has already informed USAPA that the only agreement begins with using the Nic. Barring that, they won't negotiate anything. Then it's on to Arbitration where the COMPANY provided certified list is the Nic award. That's been expressed to USAPA as well. All roads lead to a new nic inclusive contract. It's not in Dougies financial interest anymore to play stupid. Therefore the brisk pace. You may perhaps recall he came to an agreement with 55,000 employees of ANOTHER airline inside of 3 weeks.

He knows what to do when he needs something to get done. LOA93 has saved him over a billion excess dollars. That's enough....unless the merger fails, then it's LOA93 till the end of time.

Does USAPA have something to fear of Arbitration? You seem to want to avoid it like the plauge. Why? Not much faith in your "Constitution and Bylaws?"

Why did Freedom Scab Crimi fail his constituents and run home early like a little crying girl? Was there something more important going on than the AMR merger negotiations for a Union Rep to busy himself with? Probably not....Not at all actually. What was so upsetting?
 
Probably so, but will it be sent to the groups for a vote?
Yes. After the NMB has certified APA as the new union FOR EVERYBODY. Turns out another group showed managment a way out from under the pesky "dual ratification" problem.
 
Agreed. APA has already informed USAPA that the only agreement begins with using the Nic. Barring that, they won't negotiate anything. Then it's on to Arbitration where the COMPANY provided certified list is the Nic award. That's been expressed to USAPA as well. All roads lead to a new nic inclusive contract. It's not in Dougies financial interest anymore to play stupid. Therefore the brisk pace. You may perhaps recall he came to an agreement with 55,000 employees of ANOTHER airline inside of 3 weeks.

Mr. Crandall thinks a happy pilot group will help the success of the possible merger, his advice will be heeded.

We have two pilot groups, APA and USAPA. Fences make good neighbors. Your Phoenix hub will be protected for you for ten years. Bon appitit! (Used to wish someone enjoyment of the meal they are about to eat.)

 
HA!!! You have such little understanding of the events unfolding around you it's comical. You're going to learn here fairly soon. This is all coming to a head. The USAPA party is over Claxon.
 
Agreed. APA has already informed USAPA that the only agreement begins with using the Nic. Barring that, they won't negotiate anything. Then it's on to Arbitration where the COMPANY provided certified list is the Nic award. That's been expressed to USAPA as well. All roads lead to a new nic inclusive contract. It's not in Dougies financial interest anymore to play stupid. Therefore the brisk pace. You may perhaps recall he came to an agreement with 55,000 employees of ANOTHER airline inside of 3 weeks.

He knows what to do when he needs something to get done. LOA93 has saved him over a billion excess dollars. That's enough....unless the merger fails, then it's LOA93 till the end of time.

Does USAPA have something to fear of Arbitration? You seem to want to avoid it like the plauge. Why? Not much faith in your "Constitution and Bylaws?"

Why did Freedom Scab Crimi fail his constituents and run home early like a little crying girl? Was there something more important going on than the AMR merger negotiations for a Union Rep to busy himself with? Probably not....Not at all actually. What was so upsetting?
I heard APA says the NIC is a non-starter! Not legally usable anyway. Their next negotiated contract is years away.
 
He knows what to do when he needs something to get done. LOA93 has saved him over a billion excess dollars. That's enough....unless the merger fails, then it's LOA93 till the end of time.

Please add up wages of a america west pilot and US Airways East pilot since 1995. Please provide a financial opinion.

http://web.mit.edu/airlinedata/www/2010%2012%20Month%20Documents/Employees%20and%20Compensation/Pilots/Average%20Annual%20Wages%20and%20Salaries%20-%20PILOT%20AND%20CO-PILOT%20PERSONNEL.htm
 
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