Dec 2012 / Jan 2013 US Pilots Labor Discussion

[Move2CLT]

Why have a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent?

Ahh, I forgot about your retardation.

My apologies.

 

[Move2CLT]

As I thought, the usual suspects and the usual replies. PHX is all you have, and now you want what others have. All I want is my attrition in CLT, PHL, and DCA, and what I BROUGHT to the merger. Nothing more.Truth is (hello McFly!) I was just fun'in with you. But good on you for never even letting sarcasm stop you from replying to each and every post 24/7.Greeter

Hey AW, we merged. You should have negotiated instead of going for DOH.

 

[Move2CLT]

What was going on in TPA? Heard there was a ruckus.

Yes, your mom was working the 2nd floor of the DoubleTree and someone short changed her.

 

[traderjake]

A breakaway group of senior pilots sought to reinstate the lump-sum option. These pilots, all hired before 1983, acted separately from the APA when they filed last week. The court on Dec. 19 ruled that the lump-sum option can be eliminated.

Both APA and American welcomed the ruling. “Since March, we’ve worked collaboratively with the Allied Pilots Association, the PBGC [Pension Benefit Guaranty Corp.] and the Unsecured Creditors Committee to develop a solution that would allow us to maintain the freeze of our pilot defined benefit pension plan,” says an American spokesman

http://www.aviationweek.com/Article.aspx?id=/article-xml/avd_12_21_2012_p05-01-531203.xml

 

[cleardirect]

As I thought, the usual suspects and the usual replies. PHX is all you have, and now you want what others have. All I want is my attrition in CLT, PHL, and DCA, and what I BROUGHT to the merger. Nothing more.Truth is (hello McFly!) I was just fun'in with you. But good on you for never even letting sarcasm stop you from replying to each and every post 24/7.Greeter

Without a merger you could have had what you brought to the merger. 1700 furloughs and a company about to close the doors. You would have 100% attrition.

But there was a merger and things change. I wish I had what I brought to the merger. 7 years upgrades and 8.5 cent seat miles. But things change.

You boys are going to have to learn to share. the APA pilots are going to make sure of that.

 

[traderjake]

If you are going to boast about being "informed" then demonstrate the capacity to distinguish the difference between a proposal and an MOU.

Don't worry, I confident your hero Bill "Firewall" McKee will prevent us from having a say in our collective futures.

 

[Phoenix]

Don't worry, I confident your hero Bill "Firewall" McKee will prevent us from having a say in our collective futures.

non sequitur. The membership doesn't vote on secret, one-sided proposals, even if they are dressed up as a watershed event "MOU".

The fist one to make a serious proposal is desperate to speed negotiations along and is in a position of weakness. The APA is desperate to oust Horton and is fearful that the longer it takes to exit bankruptcy the better chance Horton has to staying and collecting his millions. If APA really wanted to make an effective proposal they should have joined with USAPA to put out a ball busting counter proposal, but they are fearful Horton will be able to stay if they don't rush things.

 

[Phoenix]

Don't worry, I confident your hero Bill "Firewall" McKee will prevent us from having a say in our collective futures.

non sequitur. The membership doesn't vote on secret, one-sided proposals, even if they are dressed up as a watershed event "MOU".

The fist one to make a serious proposal is desperate to speed negotiations along and is in a position of weakness. The APA is desperate to oust Horton and is fearful that the longer it takes to exit bankruptcy the better chance Horton has to staying and collecting his millions. If APA really wanted to make an effective proposal they should have joined with USAPA to put out a ball busting counter proposal, but they are fearful Horton will be able to stay if they don't rush things.

 

[Phoenix]

Don't worry, I confident your hero Bill "Firewall" McKee will prevent us from having a say in our collective futures.

non sequitur. The membership doesn't vote on secret, one-sided proposals, even if they are dressed up as a watershed event "MOU".

The fist one to make a serious proposal is desperate to speed negotiations along and is in a position of weakness. The APA is desperate to oust Horton and is fearful that the longer it takes to exit bankruptcy the better chance Horton has to staying and collecting his millions. If APA really wanted to make an effective proposal they should have joined with USAPA to put out a ball busting counter proposal, but they are fearful Horton will be able to stay if they don't rush things.

 

[Phoenix]

Don't worry, I confident your hero Bill "Firewall" McKee will prevent us from having a say in our collective futures.

non sequitur. The membership doesn't vote on secret, one-sided proposals, even if they are dressed up as a watershed event "MOU".

The fist one to make a serious proposal is desperate to speed negotiations along and is in a position of weakness. The APA is desperate to oust Horton and is fearful that the longer it takes to exit bankruptcy the better chance Horton has to staying and collecting his millions. If APA really wanted to make an effective proposal they should have joined with USAPA to put out a ball busting counter proposal, but they are fearful Horton will be able to stay if they don't rush things.

 

[Phoenix]

Don't worry, I confident your hero Bill "Firewall" McKee will prevent us from having a say in our collective futures.

non sequitur. The membership doesn't vote on secret, one-sided proposals, even if they are dressed up as a watershed event "MOU".

The fist one to make a serious proposal is desperate to speed negotiations along and is in a position of weakness. The APA is desperate to oust Horton and is fearful that the longer it takes to exit bankruptcy the better chance Horton has to staying and collecting his millions. If APA really wanted to make an effective proposal they should have joined with USAPA to put out a ball busting counter proposal, but they are fearful Horton will be able to stay if they don't rush things.

 

[Phoenix]

Don't worry, I confident your hero Bill "Firewall" McKee will prevent us from having a say in our collective futures.

non sequitur. The membership doesn't vote on secret, one-sided proposals, even if they are dressed up as a watershed event "MOU".

The fist one to make a serious proposal is desperate to speed negotiations along and is in a position of weakness. The APA is desperate to oust Horton and is fearful that the longer it takes to exit bankruptcy the better chance Horton has to staying and collecting his millions. If APA really wanted to make an effective proposal they should have joined with USAPA to put out a ball busting counter proposal, but they are fearful Horton will be able to stay if they don't rush things.

 

[Phoenix]

Don't worry, I confident your hero Bill "Firewall" McKee will prevent us from having a say in our collective futures.

non sequitur. The membership doesn't vote on secret, one-sided proposals, even if they are dressed up as a watershed event "MOU".

The fist one to make a serious proposal is desperate to speed negotiations along and is in a position of weakness. The APA is desperate to oust Horton and is fearful that the longer it takes to exit bankruptcy the better chance Horton has to staying and collecting his millions. If APA really wanted to make an effective proposal they should have joined with USAPA to put out a ball busting counter proposal, but they are fearful Horton will be able to stay if they don't rush things.

 

[Phoenix]

Don't worry, I confident your hero Bill "Firewall" McKee will prevent us from having a say in our collective futures.

non sequitur. The membership doesn't vote on secret, one-sided proposals, even if they are dressed up as a watershed event "MOU".

The fist one to make a serious proposal is desperate to speed negotiations along and is in a position of weakness. The APA is desperate to oust Horton and is fearful that the longer it takes to exit bankruptcy the better chance Horton has to staying and collecting his millions. If APA really wanted to make an effective proposal they should have joined with USAPA to put out a ball busting counter proposal, but they are fearful Horton will be able to stay if they don't rush things.

 

[Phoenix]

Don't worry, I confident your hero Bill "Firewall" McKee will prevent us from having a say in our collective futures.

non sequitur. The membership doesn't vote on secret, one-sided proposals, even if they are dressed up as a watershed event "MOU".

The fist one to make a serious proposal is desperate to speed negotiations along and is in a position of weakness. The APA is desperate to oust Horton and is fearful that the longer it takes to exit bankruptcy the better chance Horton has to staying and collecting his millions. If APA really wanted to make an effective proposal they should have joined with USAPA to put out a ball busting counter proposal, but they are fearful Horton will be able to stay if they don't rush things.