Dec 2012 / Jan 2013 US Pilots Labor Discussion

[A320 Driver]

The company has already filed the appeal of Judge Silver's ruling to the 9th , how long will that process take, including the appeal to the SCOUS?
seajay

I didn't know they had filed an appeal. I'm not surprised though. They need a backup plan to keep us trapped on our old contracts in case the merger fizzles. Since Judge Silver stayed in line with the 9ths ruling on Addington, maybe it won't be too long before they reject it.

Driver...

 

[cleardirect]

The greatest victory we've had thus far!

The only victory. Busting a union.

But how is that working out for you? What has usapa succeeded at?

 

[cleardirect]

Appealing helps to avoid any chance of successfully being sued by the west. Smart on the company's part. (Always read between the lines.)

In a way. What it does is avoid a contract with usapa as a stand alone airline.

Usapa does not have the ability to negotiated a contract. Without a contract not ripe. Not ripe no law suit.

So loa93 or the Nicolau or a law suit.

 

[end_of_alpa]

I disagree. They won't be paying higher wages if we vote down this MoU. If we do vote it in (and yes, I more than likely will vote in favor) then we will see more pay almost right away. The lump sum, APA rates, and retro alone are worth a great deal of money and I do think everyone from the UCC to Parker to the APA wants to see these come out clean and organized. Obtaining synergies from two airlines may not be difficult, but I can't imagine a merger being worthwhile with three separate work groups. We can choose to get paid more over the course of the timeline this merger takes to complete or we can rot on LoA 93 for another two years and still end up in the same spot as we would of taking the MoU. For me, the choice is obvious. Go to work like EoA, make money, and go home. USAPA is a failed union and events are going to sweep them along with or without their consent.

There's enough to go around to deep six APA as well.

It took less then 25 percent at Continental and PHI to break a strike and the same can happen here.

 

[end_of_alpa]

OK, so at this point management is just using the threat of a DJ appeal as leverage in negotiating the MOU.

Either way, they have no intention of paying LCC pilots higher wages for as long as possible, which under any scenario, will be several years, if ever.


seajay

Absolutely. Why bother with negotiations?

 

[end_of_alpa]

The union was busted at birth. You were warned. Now that its an unmitigated failure, you're taking your ball and going home.

Typical Eastie.

I'm just doing my job the way the company wants me to and getting paid for it.

What are you doing?

Oh, I forgot, you're unemployed.

 

[dca319]

There's enough to go around to deep six APA as well.

It took less then 25 percent at Continental and PHI to break a strike and the same can happen here.

Now you're getting a bit cocky. I don't see the APA going anywhere.

 

[A320 Driver]

Everybody is so tense!!!
I have a cure:
Collard greens
Macaroni and cheese
Blackeyed peas
Baked ham
Homemade biscuits
Key Lime pie

It's turned into a wonderful day thanks to my bride! This is the way to relax...

Happy New Year!

Driver...

 

[Zone5]

Appealing helps to avoid any chance of successfully being sued by the west. Smart on the company's part. (Always read between the lines.)

Good point! That and more "opportunity" to delay an East-West contract, if it came to that. These management guys are good, at what they do. Sure wish they were on our side. By "our" side I mean pilots of all "persuasions".


seajay

 

[end_of_alpa]

Now you're getting a bit cocky. I don't see the APA going anywhere.

You're words, not mine....labor unions aren't going anywhere, either.

 

[dca319]

Any takers on whether or not the BPR sends this out to us? I don't know if we can vote in under 7 days but I sure want to make the decision on the MoU myself.

 

[Zone5]

Any takers on whether or not the BPR sends this out to us? I don't know if we can vote in under 7 days but I sure want to make the decision on the MoU myself.

Good question. If a "decision" on the "new" MOU has to be made within 7 days, there will be no vote, it would all be done at the BPR level. It better be damn good because BOHICA!


seajay

 

[cleardirect]

Any takers on whether or not the BPR sends this out to us? I don't know if we can vote in under 7 days but I sure want to make the decision on the MoU myself.

I think the BPR sends it out. They saw what happened last time, the company pulled it.

But a membership vote is irrelevant. The merger will be announced before the vote is done. Plus a yes or not vote will not decide if a merger happens or not. So any east pilot thinking you can stop the merger bu voting no. Think again.

 

[Phoenix]

Can anyone tell me the difference between an MOU and a unilateral proposal that is self-proclaimed to be an "MOU"?

 

[cleardirect]

Can anyone tell me the difference between an MOU and a unilateral proposal that is self-proclaimed to be an "MOU"?

According to usapa supporters, anything the majority wants.

That would be APA in this case. That majority rules thing is going to bite you.