Dec 2012 / Jan 2013 US Pilots Labor Discussion

[prechilill]

There is no NIC anymore the courts put that to rest, worry about how much your getting 10 g ain't enough.

Do you enjoy dangerous ground?

 

[Phoenix]

There is no NIC anymore the courts put that to rest, worry about how much your getting 10 g ain't enough.

But its the last best offer and I need the new iPad.

 

[luvthe9]

Do you enjoy dangerous ground?

Sorry, not an issue anymore,

 

[luvthe9]

But its the last best offer and I need the new iPad.

Better talk to the APA boys about that "last best offer".

 

[prechilill]

Sorry, not an issue anymore,

Justice Silver and Doug Parker disagree with you.

 

[Phoenix]

Justice Silver and Doug Parker disagree with you.

If you vote for a new TA (aka MOU) will Silver consider the new TA to supersede the old TA that included the Nic?

 

[Beancounter]

Hummel said, on camera, we cannot stop the merger with voting down the MOU. The UCC is in love with Doug and so is the APA. This merger is moving forward, I look forward to working with you. I cannot wait to move to AVL.

They don't believe they will have no effect on the merger outcome. As such they think they can use leverage (they don't have) to get what is in their minds owed to them. They thought DOH would give them back the positions they lost in bankruptcy and now they seem to think they can recoup lost wages etc. I think some of the east pilots are ready to move forward, others are angry and stuck in the past. I hope the east votes to move forward, but if past performance is any indication they may choose to stay on LOA93 a bit longer. It is their choice, thankfully PHX is nice and our contract isn't toooo bad.

AVL is Asheville, isn't it? I've read it's a great place.

Bean

 

[luvthe9]

Justice Silver and Doug Parker disagree with you.

Silver was overruled, Parker could care less about the NIC.

 

[Beancounter]

Silver was overruled, Parker could care less about the NIC.

Au contraire mon frere. Parker cares about the liability that is attached to the Nic. He's good at getting around things though. Having the seniority go to a second arbitration could take that liability off the company.

Bean

 

[Phoenix]

Au contraire mon frere. Parker cares about the liability that is attached to the Nic. He's good at getting around things though. Having the seniority go to a second arbitration could take that liability off the company.

Bean

Caring about the Nic and caring about possible liability are not the same thing.

 

[Metroyet]

Caring about the Nic and caring about possible liability are not the same thing.

Look. There is only ONE properly vetted, legally defensible, accepted JOINT seniority list. America West is LOOOOOONNNNNGG gone. There isn't a 3 way. It's only the Pilots in service of US Airways and the Pilots in Service of American Airlines. Getting your hopes up that there is going to be some miracle that allows the East to simply Dictate terms, unquestioned, without any consequences that will survive even the slightest legal review is absurd.

Final and Binding Arbitration is....guess what? Final and Binding. Those aren't words taking lightly out of thin air. They are the foundation of a multitude of dispute settlements. USAPA didn't all of the sudden discover the magic pill that makes all Final and binding Arbitrations somehow subordinate to approval of the majority. Only a complete fool and idiot would believe that, (hello USAPA Voters!!)

In the interest of sanity, it's a good idea of one was a DOH disciple to start accepting a different reality. The critical mass has been reached. This is moving fwd regardless of USAPA. You've been over-run by events and rendered useless. Vote....Don't vote...cry...stomp your feet....do whatever you want. Nothing is going to change.

The inmates have run the asylum for over 5 years now. It's over.

 

[Phoenix]

I see its over. Then this TA doesn't supersede the old TA. Ok, thanks for the clarification. Can you tell us our new payrates too so I can get my boat loan?

 

[Metroyet]

I see its over. Then this TA doesn't supersede the old TA. Ok, thanks for the clarification. Can you tell us our new payrates too so I can get my boat loan?

The bargaining Agent is responsible for everything that happened prior to it's arrival. This TA...That TA... you see. It doesn't matter. If it's a DFR violation it's a DFR Violation. You guys really need to think outside the "I'll just change my name" box. It doesn't work. The company cant just change it's name and play stupid. They're smarter than that....The East Pilots....not so much. This will all become more clear to you as things progress.

 

[EastUS1]

The bargaining Agent is responsible for everything that happened prior to it's arrival.

That's quite the serious exercise in "logic" you've got going on there.

"The bargaining Agent is responsible for everything that happened prior to it's arrival. "...? Umm...Inclusive of the extinction of dinosaurs? Dang it!...Now THAT'S a workable DFR any day! Any resurrected T-Rex, or most likely herbivore contingents, amongst your "spartans", "knights" and "dire wolves"? 😉

 

[Phoenix]

The bargaining Agent is responsible for everything that happened prior to it's arrival. This TA...That TA... you see. It doesn't matter. If it's a DFR violation it's a DFR Violation. You guys really need to think outside the "I'll just change my name" box. It doesn't work. The company cant just change it's name and play stupid. They're smarter than that....The East Pilots....not so much. This will all become more clear to you as things progress.

Oh, clarity. Thank goodness. Fianally.

So since the Nic will become effective with the new TA, (since old TA or new TA doesn't make any difference, ie it was never a TA that protected your right to the Nic, you just deserve it.)

Can you please inform us of how much money you will be awarded in damages for not having the Nic all these years? Is it more than the $100K that each APA pilot will be getting?