Dec 2012 / Jan 2013 US Pilots Labor Discussion

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American pilots voted down their first offer. They are in bankruptcy. For once in your life vote no on something east pilots. It will cleanse your soul. You have another chance in life to show courage.

https://docs.google....wMlzaU3g0uDs94w

Great. Voting advice from someone that is not a pilot, an employee or member of usapa.

Thanks, I think we got this.

 

[high*flyer]

...."an intelligent person can figure it out"... And you're offering an opinion? Do you really think either side would throw in the towel after a contentious five year fight? USAPA is not that stupid and Leonidas not that smart!

 

[A320 Driver]

But A320 Driver says we should listen To HOW the deal was reached and not worry so much about what is in the deal. but we should accept what our professional advisors recommend. he says he went and listened and the rest of us who just read it are a bunch of idiots. If it isn't damn good and doesn't reward us for the BS we have been thru, then it's one NO

Vote any way you like. And you are not ALL idiots.

 

[Phoenix]

Everyone knows what's gonna happen but nobody has seen the new TA.

What we do know is that APA gets $100K, gets to keep their pension, and DUI plans on $1Billion.. $1Billion extra profit per year.

And if anyone will accept $10 K for a yes vote with no scope then please send me a self addressed envelope, or call now, and I will send you some opportunities that you don't want to miss. Hurry, supplies limited. Special bonus for the first 100 callers.

 

[cleardirect]

I tend to agree an M/B SLI is an appealing course for the reps and the company, not for any happiness of anyone, but rather for the simple fact that M/B allows everyone involved to punt any and all responsibility, i.e.. shirk responsibility and get the line puggs to pay for it. I would prefer the reps to actually do their job but that is a lot to ask of mere pilots.

As each of us considers the MOU, we have some very good examples that have preceded us. 1) we have the FAs who have refused to accept substandard contract offers, 2) we have the APA pilots who refused the first offer and now haver $100K plus their retirement, and 3) we have the hasty announcement of an agreement by Gary Hummel that was retracted by the communications committee because he was too embarrassed to make a correction himself, and we have 4) individuals who proudly announce their intention to vote "yes" on anything, long before there are even rumors of the content...

So... we can choose a legacy of haste or deliberate patience, and the outcome will be far more significant than mere embarrassment, because there won't be a communications committee that can step in to cover for us. 🙂

Gee Scott why do you need a communications committee to cover for you? If you make good decisions the first time you don't have to fix your mistakes.

The west did just fine without the money of the union communicating. See what you guys can do on your own. I predict failure.

 

[prechilill]

The update doesn't say it's a JCBA. It's just an MOU that sets up a frame work for merging with AA, and it is null and void if the merger doesn't happen or other parties don't agree. Have to agree it don't sound like it meets the events for a Nic.

Nobody is saying that it is. The MOU just gives us a pay raise and facilitates the JCBA. The JCBA gets us combined ops. With combined ops we get have one seniority list. Then we enter the SLI with our original AA brothers.
Tonight Hummel made Woody (TSA buddy) Meaner look like more of an idiot than he really is. Looks like USAPA had no leverage all along Scott. You were wrong. Boo hoo!

 

[Claxon]

Geez you guys calm down. I had to fly a trip no one has gone anywhere. Did not know that you all missed me that much when I am not here to explain things to you. Don't worry your little heads it will be ok.

Your last post was less than six hours ago, you hardly had time to pluck your eyebrows since then, Another bs west pilot. How come you did not make the army of lyingitas titanium list?

 

[Phoenix]

Gee Scott why do you need a communications committee to cover for you? If you make good decisions the first time you don't have to fix your mistakes.

The west did just fine without the money of the union communicating. See what you guys can do on your own. I predict failure.

I am touched that you want my attention. :wub:

 

[Claxon]

Nobody is saying that it is. The MOU just gives us a pay raise and facilitates the JCBA. The JCBA gets us combined ops. With combined ops we get have one seniority list. Then we enter the SLI with our original AA brothers.
Tonight Hummel made Woody (TSA buddy) Meaner look like more of an idiot than he really is. Looks like USAPA had no leverage all along like Scott. You were had. Boo hoo!

Was the mou voted in? Is US Airways and AMR officially merging? The merger will be fought by Horton and the AMR board. You have not even seen the mou yet and you call it a raise, the same pilot that wanted the Kirby feces.

 

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I wouldn't expect DUI to put that in a first offer.

You are so cute. Lol!

You think that this is just part of the negotiation and if it gets turned down there will be another offer.

This is it boys and girls. Last final offer. Take or leave it.

The BPR voted it out that is all Parker needed to calm the creditor committee. The pilot vote is irrelevant. Vote yes, vote no. Take this offer and get a check. Vote it down there is no negotiation, Parker simply waits for the APA to become the bargaining agent and makes the same or less deal with them for the east and west portion of the APA pilots.

Usapa and the east pilots once again put us in a no win situation. Over played your hand and got beat by management . Hope you boys enjoy that big old sh$& sandwich Parker just feed you. Get used to it because the Nicolau is going to follow that one up. Double helping.

 

[Phoenix]

Nobody is saying that it is. The MOU just gives us a pay raise ...

So how much is your pay raise, and what happens to your pay raise if the MOU becomes null and void?

 

[Claxon]

You can always go to Australia like Dave. Dave did not make titanium on the aol list today.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5t5aE0iW4o

 

[prechilill]

Was the mou voted in? Is US Airways and AMR officially merging? The merger will be fought by Horton and the AMR board. You have not even seen the mou yet and you call it a raise, the same pilot that wanted the Kirby feces.

Hummel said, on camera, we cannot stop the merger with voting down the MOU. The UCC is in love with Doug and so is the APA. This merger is moving forward, I look forward to working with you. I cannot wait to move to AVL.

 

[Phoenix]

.. Last final offer. ...

Oh, you keep flirting with me and telling me you'll never write to me again. Now stop it. :wub:

 

[Claxon]

You are so cute. Lol!


This is it boys and girls. Last final offer. Take or leave it.

That is what they told the American Pilots.