Dec 2012 / Jan 2013 US Pilots Labor Discussion

[end_of_alpa]

You are strangely trying to have a one sided debate (without me!) using statements from a website I did not write. I have been very clear here my reasons for wanting new reps. It is not about the guys personally, working with them on the line, etc. It is actually NOT about a lot of the reasons on their site, as good as they may be.And you continue to paint the recall in light of one individual's beliefs, attributing anything said by anyone that supports the recall as the goal of the recall group. One guy wants the recall and is willing to cave on DOH, so now you shout the recall is about giving up DOH. Chip Munn supports the recall so he is "leading the recall" and it should not happen.Look, lets agree to disagree. I don't think the CLT reps have done a good job, you do. There will be plenty of time to debate once the recall is fact.Have a good one.Greeter

I'm not against any recall. That is your right and the process.

I'm trying to understand the reasons.

Give me yours and I'll consider it.

 

[Walmartgreeter]

I'm not against any recall. That is your right and the process.

I'm trying to understand the reasons.

Give me yours and I'll consider it.

Thanks for agreeing the recall process is a union right. Attempting (and I don't mean you) to have member pilots kicked out of the airport exercising that right is wrong, on so many levels.Let's wait for the vote for further debate. They don't need any more signatures to move forward.Greeter

 

[Beancounter]

Bean, even the 9th circuit knew that and made reference to it when they overturned Judge Wake. There won't be a vote unless there are more of you than there are us. By then, it won't matter. Time is running out Bean. You guys are overplaying your hand.

Driver...

So when the courts ask what your legitimate union purpose was for changing the NIC, that's going to be your answer? Wow, it's no wonder you guys keep losing and losing and losing.................

Oh I forgot, when you guys lose in your eyes it's a win. You and the brain trust over there just go right ahead and keep patting yourselves on the back. I don't think you guys will ever wake up. ( get it, Wake up) 🙂

Bean

 

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So when the courts ask what your legitimate union purpose was for changing the NIC, that's going to be your answer? Wow, it's no wonder you guys keep losing and losing and losing.................

Oh I forgot, when you guys lose in your eyes it's a win. You and the brain trust over there just go right ahead and keep patting yourselves on the back. I don't think you guys will ever wake up. ( get it, Wake up) 🙂

Bean

The judgment says it all.

Have a good holiday.

 

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Thanks for agreeing the recall process is a union right. Attempting (and I don't mean you) to have member pilots kicked out of the airport exercising that right is wrong, on so many levels.Let's wait for the vote for further debate. They don't need any more signatures to move forward.Greeter

Not sure whom is kicking whom out of the airport. I went by the recall guys in CLT the other day. They knew who I was and didn't even bother to say hi.

Debate is good. Incessant debate with nary a resolution to the issue gives the other side the advantage.

I just don't see what the alternative would be, but giving the President to appoint a DDR is a reciepe for disaster, not that we're all not there anyway.

 

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Finally. US Airways authorized daily non-stops to Sao Paulo May 5 with B767.

It's about time.

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2012/12/10/3718217/us-airways-to-add-nonstop-flights.html

 

[Claxon]

The impediment to a contract is whiny self entitled east pilots. All usapa has to do is agree to the Nicolau and the company has no more excuses.

It is usapa that must go.

With a merger that will happen and we will get a contract. Otherwise usapa is incapable of getting a contract failing in their first duty as a bargains agent.

It is either the Nicolau or LOA 93

USAPA is the best thing that ever happened to your pilot group. Stopping the now destroyed Nicolau was its' crowning achievement. Very good job cleaning up the mess ALPA was afraid to.

 

[EastUS1]

The ninth guessing that a contract with the Nicolau would not pass is just an example of the ninth getting this case wrong.

It follows that the SCOTUS' lack of interest in hearing the subsequent west attempt at a different opinion after the 9th's ruling is proof of their also "getting this case wrong"? It's a real pity you can't just have your legal eagles out west better explain it all to the higher courts, as you do here, so they could see and understand all of their glaring errors.

Give my regards to Dumbo and Goofy as you enjoy all the many delights in Fantasyland today.

 

[Beancounter]

The judgment says it all.

Have a good holiday.

Thanks, it will be nice to be home for Christmas. Just remember to budget wisely, barring a merger, we're not getting a new contract for a loooooong time. Luckily the holidays are about more than presents and seniority. Happy Holidays!

Bean

 

[Beancounter]

USAPA is the best thing that ever happened to your pilot group. Stopping the now destroyed Nicolau was its' crowning achievement. Very good job cleaning up the mess ALPA was afraid to.

Psssssst. Claxon, I hate to tell you this but you didn't kill it, you just knocked it out. Be vewwy vewyy quite, it might Wake up🙂

Bean

 

[cleardirect]

It follows that the SCOTUS' lack of interest in hearing the subsequent west attempt at a different opinion after the 9th's ruling is proof of their also "getting this case wrong"? It's a real pity you can't just have your legal eagles out west better explain it all to the higher courts, as you do here, so they could see and understand all of their glaring errors.

Give my regards to Dumbo and Goofy as you enjoy all the many delights in Fantasyland today.

Point to any hard evidence presented during the Addington trail that proves a contract with Nicolau will not pass.

The only way the ninth made a valid decision is if it was presented during the original trial.

How many votes were taken? How many scientific polls were taken?

Answer none. No evidence a contract would not pass with the Nicolau. Therefore the ninth opinion was wrong.

 

[cleardirect]

USAPA is the best thing that ever happened to your pilot group. Stopping the now destroyed Nicolau was its' crowning achievement. Very good job cleaning up the mess ALPA was afraid to.

If it is dead why is the company still talking about it? Why are they still worried about being sued?

Besides costing all the pilots money what has usapa achieved? Delaying a final and binding arbitration is not an achievement or the duty of a union.

 

[Claxon]

Psssssst. Claxon, I hate to tell you this but you didn't kill it, you just knocked it out. Be vewwy vewyy quite, it might Wake up🙂

Bean

WAKE ing up would sum it up nicely.


CONCLUSION
[10] For the foregoing reasons, we hold that Plaintiffs’
DFR claim is not ripe; therefore, the case is REMANDED to
the district court with directions that the action be DISMISSED.
No costs to either side.

 

[Claxon]

If it is dead why is the company still talking about it? Why are they still worried about being sued?

Besides costing all the pilots money what has usapa achieved? Delaying a final and binding arbitration is not an achievement or the duty of a union.

Not delaying, not binding. Destroying.

 

[Metroyet]

Not delaying, not binding. Destroying.

It's pretty clear you need a Legitimate Union Purpose for "destroying" the Nic., (which you didn't btw) What EXACTLY is that LUP? Your side threw everthing at a jury to see if any of your B.S. would stick. It didn't. The Jury crushed USAPA.

What's the new LUP?