Dec 2012 / Jan 2013 US Pilots Labor Discussion

[cleardirect]

The Jumpseat and Travel Privileges are completely flipped from our airline. Seniority on J/S and "first come" for travel. Better hope Parker gets the helm. And even then nothing is for sure. I like "our" system better, but we might be on at least a little shaky ground arguing seniority "doesn't" matter. Might be a pipe dream, but having trips built for airports with lots of commuters is also intriguing. These are big lifestyle issues on our side, perhaps they can be at least addressed in the JNC process. You better vote "No" a second time. Or perhaps vote "yes" and change it back so you feel good about things. And also..do you thing the UCC was interested in talking about these issues? I think not, and in the whole scene it might have been petty for us to even have done so. Greeter

When Parker changed the west non rev from first come first serve to seniority based you guys had no problem with that. Why did Parker do that? To keep the majority happy and not whining. What do you think he might do this time? Go with the majority position which would return the west to our former method.

 

[cleardirect]

If USAPA is defunct before M/B begins, then M/B won't be needed as its purpose is to be used when then are two different unions, as I recall.

If we are all one union.

What we use the usapa method and the majority gets to decide what the seniority list will be? No negotiations, no arbitration. The APA just creates a list they think is fair and reasonable.

 

[cleardirect]

Jamie,

I'm disgusted by your voting record as PHL Vice Chairman. I don't support you, or this MOU. Sadly, the NAC has left us vulnerable to numerous risks under this MOU and given up too much in the process. Even more sad is the fact certain members of the BPR (you, DCA, & PHX) did not have the guts to fix the problems when you had the opportunity. Instead of taking a stand and getting an acceptable agreement, you push it on to the membership to do the the dirty work for you.

You say, "We have been told "no" by the company, "no" by the NMB, and now "no" by the UCC". Well, I say "NO" to the MOU!

Furthermore, I've lost faith in this union under Hummel's leadership. God help us.


Another happy customer !!!!!

How is it you have access to a BPR members e-mail?

Or are you the clearing house for all angry letters?

 

[Phoenix]

Somebody should quote my remarks to him so he can't help but read them!

Don't worry, he is clicking the button to peak. He can't help himself!

 

[cleardirect]

You are so wrong go ask half the senior 330 boys in PHL, this is not a good deal, I just found out about the jumpseat yesterday, I don't commute but giving that up got us what, tell me if you know, the pay scales are wrong also, the list goes on. take off your blinders I would bet you and I want the same things but this MOU is wrong and this vote should be delayed till we find out what is really or vote NO on it now.

What is the problem rookie? This MOU only gets us to a contract.

You are going to get a legacy carrier contract with AA. Those little things are all part of a major airline.

You east pilots all complained and called AWA a commuter airline. Well we have much better work rules and benefits than what we are going to get. If only you guys had listened and accepted the Nicolau and our contract you would be much better off.

But now you get to work under a real legacy carrier contract. ENJOY!

 

[cleardirect]

Because YOU and your ALPO boys GAVE away my pension and gave us LOA93. And now your want to give us this POS MOU.

Did ALPA really just GIVE away all those things? I thought usapa was going to fix all of those evil things ALPA had done. Turns out ir was not ALPA but east pilots that caused all your problems.

Did they have a reason or were they just in the mood to do a good thing for the company and intentionally harm the pilots?

Sometimes life sucks and it is unfair. US Airways went bankrupt TWICE. If only ALPA had held on and refused to "give away" that which you complain about you would have been in a much better position. You could have looked for another job and worked at a commuter or cargo operator until you retired.

If only you had followed through with the threat of full pay till the last day.

Hold on to your anger it will eventually eat you up. Retire a bitter old man with a bad stomach and attitude.

 

[CallawayGolf]

Still waiting for the answer to how the East broke a binding arbitration. It was merely an internal union seniority proposal. It was not a binding issue nor is it a legal contract. Get off your morality box and get your facts straight.

More reading comprehension problems? I didn't say the east "broke binding arbitration", I said they have thus far refused to accept it via the bargaining agent. Accepting it would be closing out S22 with the NIC and moving to complete the negotiations for the rest of the contract. Of course the only reason USAPA/East haven't broken the Transition Agreement and the NIC that is now contained therein is the fact that Management won't collude with them to do it. It takes two to participate in that violation of the contract in this case, and USAPA stands alone in their desire to not abide by the terms and conditions of the contract.

 

[cleardirect]

Love hearing this form our PHX rep Dave, another sales job, you guys are like those infomercials trying to sell us this, too bad you have smart consumers. We can read between the lines. And just like Hummel wants to keep eveyone in the dark so much for transpanercy. Why Dave did you vote to keep the meetings SECRET please do tell us, don't we have a right to know?.

What part do you think is a sales job?

He said ask questions and educate yourself.

Nowhere did he tell you how to vote.

But if your weak mind can't accept some knowledge you are destined to failure.

 

[dca319]

Dca,read what I posted. How can you make an absolutely blanket statement about arbitration like that stating they are non binding.?

What difference does it make if its internal union or company? An arbitration is an arbitration. Not agreeing with it doesn't nullify it.

 

[dca319]

Don't worry, he is clicking the button to peak. He can't help himself!

Nope. But it sounds like signals is desperate for attention. What do you think PHX?

 

[cleardirect]

Huh, Do you even work here? it was proven true, please you have to be kidding all of us here.

Wrong.

Nothing was proven. The RICO suit was DISMISSED with prejudice.

No ones ID has been stolen.

The only thing that has been proven is that usapa can make false accusations and weak little followers like you will believe it.

 

[cleardirect]

Too much fuzzy language. Plus the scope. When the weak sisters voted me onto LOA93 against my wishes, I saw how quickly the morons realized they gave their livelihood to Mesa and Republic. The funniest thing was seeing the look on their faces when they saw those AWA Flintstone paint job Mesa 90 seaters on the C concourse in CLT. And all the flying that got sucked away with it. the passengers just loved flying those long legs on them. Then the Republic takeover began in PHL.
Go ahead and give your scope away. Just shut up when Republic expands again to take your job. After all, you can trust management, right??

Whaaaat?????

You east boys have been telling us for years that US Airways pilots had and have the best toughest scope clause in the industry.

Now you are saying it is not. I am shocked!! Reality does not match your fantasy?

 

[Metroyet]

Read the 9th decision. It gets tiring leading you back to the truth. USAPA is not bound to pass the Nic. Your only recourse is a try at harm when they don't. Even if you got harm, it doesn't include the issue of the Nic as a remedy.. Only monetary damages. That is if you win.

Expect Judicial intervention before this goes too much farther.

 

[cleardirect]

I love your APA retroactive speculation. You just are clueless on the way arbitration works. That 3% is an arbitrated issue between an employer and a contracted union constituency. The arbitrators decision IS binding there. An internal union seniority proposal is absolutely non binding. The representation issues still are applicable.
If you are going to be a rep, you better get your facts straight. From what I have seen here, you have no business discussing arbitration. None.

If "internal union" arbitration is not binding. WHY would anyone sign up for it? WHY has every other seniority arbitration used the FINAL and BINDING list? Has every other seniority arbitration made every single pilots happy?

 

[traderjake]

McKleary

Good one.