Dec 2012 / Jan 2013 US Pilots Labor Discussion

[AAviator]

You AArogant AAssholes get $248/hr to fly narrow body jets?

well,

yes,


we do.......

you might familiarize yourself with our signed CBA. Its not todays rate, but It's there when you factor in the retirement $. Better than that actually.

Whats in your pocket?

 

[AAviator]

Knock it off.. I'm not caught up yet.

Well, first of all, fences aren't guaranteed. We didn't get any with AWA.


BS. There was a five year fence that came down when age 60 was modified. You want to talk about the pseudo pilot induced fence you've had since 2005? Talk about disengenuous!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Next. it's funny how you didn't comment on how the potential merger with US boosted your power to get more from AA.

We got more from AA due to the UCC's Jack Butler stepping in and breaking the stalemate that was stangling the timeline. AA mgmnt was content to steamroll through the APA in the hopes of a concentual agreement to exit BK with no loose ends and liability (exposure) out the back end. AA overreached and didn't have a solid enough case to do just that! Absent agreements with labor, the POR had too many holes.

To think that was due to USAPA OR THE LCC PILOT GROUP IS PURE FANTASY!

Finally, you will have to revive your claim from last week. What did you say then? Then whip some of that public school math on me, I think you're wrong.

Think again..., lets see your public math. Start with your own USAPA's pubication "flight plan to a merger". You know the one that talks about the 1.6 billion $ in reach of the LCC pilot group! Page 9. Don't forget the 16% retirement contribution!

Most AA pilots aren't tools like you, are they?


Calling me a tool? Lets see your math, and then an explanation of how this is within your reach absent AA... We've got the vast majority of it signed sealed and delivered without you!

 

[AAviator]

Pantswetter too? So is this what your contingent has resorted too?

Is incontinence a widespread issue with you guys?


I'm beginning to wonder if I should carry a beaded seat cover like the Dominican cab drivers.....

 

[cactusboy53]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^THIS^^^^^^^^^^^^

Yes, I know as an AA pilot I would likely fare better without the NIC.

But there's this thing called reality.....

I'm just curious how you might feel that you "would likely fare better without the NIC". If the NIC is used as the beginning point of our SLI process, and a ratioed integration takes place: your seniority would be determined by the arbitrators so as to reflect that ratio. DAL/NWAL went ratio based on size.

If one can take emotion out of it, it is a very simple mathematical equation.

 

[dca319]

Help me out here...

USAPA will/can take the APA list and give the ex TWA pilots their DOH at TWA on the combined list?

Are you suggesting the USAPA can modify the current APA seniority list?

Yes. Per your APA guy, all that is exchanged is the data. The order is irrelevant. Its up to each side to put each other's list together. Technically they can place your pilots in ANY position they want, but they'd have to argue to the APA as to why and, failing that, they'll have to explain their methodology to the arbitrators. Your scope guy that was there was very clear about the data exchange and process. And just because one side reorders a list a certain way doesn't mean that's the way the arbitrators are going to come back with it exactly that way. They'll probably blend and reorder the lists according to what they think is fair.

 

[AAviator]

My question is this: Isn't this the same MOU that the AMR pilots have? A lot of folks on here act as though this were an agreement unique to USAPA, and I don't believe that is true. A lot of it really sucks, but can't it be corrected in negotiations for a JCBA? It seems a lot of the problems are fairly low cost items, like job protections and insurance.

Not trying to make a scene, just want to know if my perceptions are true.

You are correct Biil,
There is one MOU.

You have a signing bonus the APA does not have, but beyond that the signatures required are all on ONE document.

 

[AAviator]

No, WE ALL LOSE. Thanks to all the bed wetters.

Here we are back to urine again...

 

[dca319]

Is incontinence a widespread issue with you guys?


I'm beginning to wonder if I should carry a beaded seat cover like the Dominican cab drivers.....

No it isn't. Its a childish fallback a certain pilot uses to lash out when he becomes frustrated.

 

[dca319]

Here we are back to urine again...

Like is was saying.......

 

[cleardirect]

Simple reason was the company was not negotiating, they were stalling. Now, they want to negotiate an agreement to further their goals of this merger. It takes two to tango, you know.
I don't know Paul, but I believe that he is very qualified to negotiate in our behalf.
Anybody remember Dubinski at United? The UAL management hated him, and by all accounts the feeling was mutual. But he wound up getting more for the United guys than was thought possible. Dubinski was their 'pitbull' just like I consider Paul to be ours (formerly, unfortunately).
Still voting NO - we can do better.

How did that contract work out for UAL?

Yes it takes two to tango. It also takes two NOT to get a contract.

It seems that the current NAC managed to negotiate with the same people the oreo could not.

But it seems that the oreo still does not want to make a deal. I don't care if the negotiators like or dislike each other. What I want is that they at least respect each other and can work together. Paul does not have that ability.

 

[AAviator]

Pantswetter

eww

Its epidemic!

 

[cactusboy53]

Well, first of all, fences aren't guaranteed. We didn't get any with AWA.

Next. it's funny how you didn't comment on how the potential merger with US boosted your power to get more from AA.

Finally, you will have to revive your claim from last week. What did you say then? Then whip some of that public school math on me, I think you're wrong.

Most AA pilots aren't tools like you, are they?

Not exactly correct. You were in fact guaranteed fences in the seniority arbitration (albeit conditionally). Here is what Arbitrator Nicolau wrote in his findings:


[font="Times-Roman""]"..US Airways pilots entitled to bid those positions have already been protected for two years. A further fence of four years from the date of this Award is based on attrition projected on Age 60 retirement. [/font][font="Helvetica""]If [/font][font="Times-Roman""]the age limit were raised to 65 and becomes effective prior to the expiration of the condition and restriction in 2011, there seems little fairness in its continuance.[/font]"

To be absolutely correct, the former US Air pilots will celebrate 6 years of fences on May 3, 2013. Carry on.

 

[cleardirect]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^THIS^^^^^^^^^^^^

Yes, I know as an AA pilot I would likely fare better without the NIC.





But there's this thing called reality.....

Curious why you say you would fare better not using the Nicolau? Compared to what other method?

 

[AAviator]

AAnd you get $160/hr to fly across the big ocean in an A330 and brag about staying on LOA93. Priceless!

Yep, the numbers for this fleet aren't quit as impressive as the narrowbodies but still barking at 100% increase within the CBA.


Whats in your wallet?

 

[cleardirect]

Help me out here...

USAPA will/can take the APA list and give the ex TWA pilots their DOH at TWA on the combined list?

Are you suggesting the USAPA can modify the current APA seniority list?

You have not figured out yet that usapa can do anything their little hearts desire and it is OK. usapa gets to tell Parker, the UCC, american, the APA the west pilots, courts everyone how this is going to go down.