Dec 2012 / Jan 2013 US Pilots Labor Discussion

[Claxon]

It is the same old problem. You east entitlement attitude a-holes look at the West as an inferior entity. Bottom line is AWA was a better place to be in the 2000-2005 time frame, and although the east fails to grasp that, Nicolau did not. I actually think the cutoff is around 1996 that AWA passed USair as a better place of employment, a full decade prior to NIC.

I am not quite sure where you are getting your figures to support your assertion. An MIT study strongly disagrees with you.

http://web.mit.edu/airlinedata/www/Documents/Employees%20and%20Compensation/AVG%20WAGE%20-%20Pilots%20and%20Copilots.pdf

 

[cleardirect]

You seem to think that USAPA being superseded by APA in the event of a merger is something the east pilots dread, and you relish in the thought.

No one on the east is naive enough to mourn the loss of USAPA when APA takes over. It's a non-event; that's the way things work in this industry.

I am not, nor even have been, active in USAPA beyond paying my dues and assessments, so this statement is purely a layman's opinion: USAPA has been effective in keeping you west a**holes at bay for the entire length of its existence. Well done, USAPA. I'm proud to be a MIGS.

WOW! What a legacy for the east pilots.

To create a union for the sole purpose of keeping another group of pilots "at bay".

"At bay" from a legal and agreed to final and binding arbitration. For a group that pretended to be doing to for moral reasons to advace the cause of unions you guys are the antithesisof union behavior.

Real union need to study the east pilots to learn what not to ever do.

If keeping the west "at bay" is all usapa has done they have violate the LMRDA. Because that is not what the NMB certified you to do. The east lied to the NMB.

 

[Claxon]

WOW! What a legacy for the east pilots.

To create a union for the sole purpose of keeping another group of pilots "at bay".

"At bay" from a legal and agreed to final and binding arbitration. For a group that pretended to be doing to for moral reasons to advace the cause of unions you guys are the antithesisof union behavior.

Real union need to study the east pilots to learn what not to ever do.

If keeping the west "at bay" is all usapa has done they have violate the LMRDA. Because that is not what the NMB certified you to do. The east lied to the NMB.

The court findings is all that AMR, APA, and the creditors care about. DFR 11 all you want after it is done. Good luck finding a legitimate argument and a pro bono attorney that wants to lose after ten years of proceedings.

The honorable Judge Silver's Judgement;

"Pursuant to the Court’s resolution of the motions for summary judgment,
IT IS ORDERED Counts I and III of the complaint are dismissed and judgment is
entered in favor of US Airline Pilots Association on Count II of the complaint. US Airline
Pilots Association’s seniority proposal does not breach its duty of fair representation
provided it is supported by a legitimate union purpose.
DATED this 11th day of October, 2012."

 

[nycbusdriver]

WOW! What a legacy for the east pilots.

To create a union for the sole purpose of keeping another group of pilots "at bay".

"At bay" from a legal and agreed to final and binding arbitration. For a group that pretended to be doing to for moral reasons to advace the cause of unions you guys are the antithesisof union behavior.

Real union need to study the east pilots to learn what not to ever do.

If keeping the west "at bay" is all usapa has done they have violate the LMRDA. Because that is not what the NMB certified you to do. The east lied to the NMB.

You idiot....as I said, I am just one happy MIGS with no input other than my one vote and my dues money. Now all of the sudden my opinion is sacrosanct to you west weenies.

More than any other aspect, I am pleased at the entertainment value of frustrating you west morons and watching you pay for both sides of the seniority fight.

 

[EastUS1]

St Nic is coming, December 25th. If you haven't seen him in five years you must have been a bad person.

"If you haven't seen him in five years..." Just five years? Feel free to toss an added half-century and change to that, since I've never seen him at all...Have you? 😉 I'll leave any wishin' and hopin' to see mythical figures magically coming down chimneys to yourself and all of yours in PHX. Oh well...to indulge this latest 'argument" of ours though:"St Nic is coming, December 25th. If you haven't seen St. Nic in five years you must have been a bad person."..well...hmmm...it's noteworthy that neither yourself nor any of your toughest "spartans" or even "knights" have so much as reported any verifiable sightings of St. Nic these past years. Does that make you/they/all equally "bad" people? None of you have caught even the slightest glimpse of St. Nicolau for some time now. 🙂

 

[EastUS1]

THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED THAT all such AWA pilots henceforth be granted the respect due their "Rank" and the appropriate Decorations and Titles inherent to their heroic "Service" IE; "Sir Jerkov" for the "Knights", "ALPO" for the "Dire Wolves", "Duchess" for their already self-styled "Supreme Commander" Fergie and such Honors as the Board sees fit in general, with a suggested baseline of The Order of the Sand Flea being established as the highest recognition for "Valor".

I see, but am truly shocked that this received a negative vote! I certainly meant not the slightest disrespect or "unfair", much less "unequal" treatment of all you west "heros/spartans/knights/wizards/who-can-even-keep-track-anymore?". What I'd carelessly neglected to include was an additional Decoration enhancement, that of a miniature Saguaro Prick, being respectfully employed in place of any Oak Leaf Clusters..as proper tribute to all your repeating "heroics". 🙂 We all know and fully realize that you AWA boys are universally "tough", and have truly and deservedly "earned" your way in this too-often-violent world of ours through your mighty deeds, and have indeed "fought with valor in many battles". Are we all, both east... AND of course the mighty west, happy and "equal" now? Excellent! Then run along, give your Duchess/"Supreme Commander" a sweet little kiss, and your "dire wolves" my very best as well, and I again apologize for any disrespectful oversights or ommisions earlier. 😉

 

[Phoenix]

The court findings is all that AMR, APA, and the creditors care about. DFR 11 all you want after it is done. Good luck finding a legitimate argument and a pro bono attorney that wants to lose after ten years of proceedings.

The honorable Judge Silver's Judgement;

"Pursuant to the Court’s resolution of the motions for summary judgment,
IT IS ORDERED Counts I and III of the complaint are dismissed and judgment is
entered in favor of US Airline Pilots Association on Count II of the complaint. US Airline
Pilots Association’s seniority proposal does not breach its duty of fair representation
provided it is supported by a legitimate union purpose.
DATED this 11th day of October, 2012."

This is not correct. The order has been amended.

 

[Metroyet]

This is not correct. The order has been amended.

What's the Legitimate Union Purpose? You guys have had a scab thinktank for 5 years and have still come up empty?

 

[EastUS1]

What's the Legitimate Union Purpose?

Nothing whatsover that you need fret yourself over, as you'll not be the Judge of anything.

 

[Phoenix]

What's the Legitimate Union Purpose? You guys have had a scab thinktank for 5 years and have still come up empty?

The LUP part wasn't addressed to you or me, but the
amendment is your concern.

 

[cleardirect]

The LUP part wasn't addressed to you or me, but the
amendment is your concern.

No the LUP part was addressed to usapa and the company.

The amendment is minor and simply a correction.

The important part is the LUP. usapa has none.

But feel free to try and get the company to the table. Except usapa just voted down the ability to change the T/A.

Where is that contract?

 

[EastUS1]

The important part is the LUP. usapa has none.

Keep telling yourself that little fantasy, and wash, rinse, spin-dry (especially spin) and repeat as often as you need to afford yourself some comfort.

It's fairly noted that you've done your standard "Duck-and-Cover" regarding any expansion on your "logical" notions towards giving some, more than others, unearned additional pension funding...ummm...just 'cuzz, little kommissar? Any further, however-far-more-likely-to-be-laughable "thoughts" in defense of your infantile nonsense there? One thing's been made abundantly "clear" and "direct" over the course of recent years = You just pretend to not have "heard" any questions, and instead, merely tiptoe through the tulips towards another/any other subject instead....How truly pathetic indeed. A better quality of debate could be had with the proverbial sea sponge.

 

[EastUS1]

You east entitlement attitude a-holes look at the West as an inferior entity.

Well..within even the context of such magnificently well-expressed and amazingly eloquent, personal "thought" as yours alone, not to mention the west's bevy of "heroic spartans", "knights", etc, ad nauseum that's routinely offered up in the way of only the most feeble, nay, truly pathetic excuses for any semblance of actual "adults"...One can only stand slack-jawed in utter bewilderment, and wonder why? 😉

Should your group, as a whole, ever wish to be taken seriously, well, stop making pathetic jokes of yourselves and this, your/OUR supposed "profession"...Just a suggestion. Examine the below in some detail..and afterwards, and I DO mean with all earnest, and no-BS-whatsoever, sincere honesty here; kindly TELL me HOW, through WHAT sort of even possible "magic", I'm EVER supposed to be able to take infantile, "little children" like this at ALL seriously?...? I, very frankly and with total sincerity, do NOT mean that as any jab, but simply an honest observation. I'm just-plain, not equipped to indulge such utterly infantile BS from supposed "adults"..who are "representing" themselves as "Professional Pilots". You apparently can't even begin to imagine how both disgusting and embarrassing your group's antics have been/still are to anyone over the mental age of, say, perhaps 16?..at best? Your merry litte band of self-styled little "spartans/knights/dire wolves/wizards/etc... just plain, serve only to induce very reasonable contempt and equally well-founded disgust.

i gave up entirely on any/all suggestions to just simply Grow Up much earlier.



YOU go ahead and tell me what even remotely POSSIBLE basis I, or ANYONE has for showing that kind of insanely infantile crap even the slightest "respect"...? I'm all ears here....? Any responses containing "Dude" will be disregarded.

 

[EastUS1]

nic4us, on 13 December 2012 - 10:07 AM, said: You east entitlement attitude a-holes look at the West as an inferior entity.

YOU go ahead and tell me what even remotely POSSIBLE basis I, or ANYONE has for showing that kind of insanely infantile crap even the slightest "respect"...? I'm all ears here....? Any responses containing "Dude" will be disregarded.

Addendum: While that pathetic little pimple of yours was making his "glorious" video, and streaming on about westie "knights" who "fought with valor in many battles" in supposed "war"....Ground was tragically being filled in Arlington and many other locations. There's been precious little time during all this nic BS that I've not had at least one step-son or direct family member in the "sandbox," by which I don't mean PHX. On a personal level? Your precious little "knight" there, touting west "heroics" was, at best scratching his first pimples during Desert Storm in '91. Go ahead nic4us; Tell me/us ALL again exactly HOW and WHY anyone should, or even COULD "respect' your utterly disgusting little group of "heros"....?

 

[cleardirect]

nic4us, on 13 December 2012 - 10:07 AM, said: You east entitlement attitude a-holes look at the West as an inferior entity.



Addendum: While that pathetic little pimple of yours was making his "glorious" video, and streaming on about westie "knights" who "fought with valor in many battles" is supposed "war"....Ground was tragically being filled in Arlington and many other locations. There's been precious little time during all this nic BS that I've not had at least one step-son or direct family member in the "sandbox," by which I don't mean PHX. On a personal level? Your precious little "knight" there, touting west "heroics" was, at best scratching his first pimples during Desert Storm in '91. Go ahead nic4us; Tell me/us ALL again exactly HOW and WHY anyone should, or even COULD "respect' your utterly disgusting little group of "heros"....?

Blah, blah blah. Time served is the only thing that matters. Blah blah blah. I have been here longer. Blah blah blah it's all about meeeeee. Blah, blah blah punk kid. Blah blah blah, grow up. Blah blah blah. Smiley face, Smiley face. Blah, blah blah.