Dec 2012 / Jan 2013 US Pilots Labor Discussion

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

I don't consider Sully a scab. But what he did that day any of us could have done. The flight controls of the aircraft were still working and he have full control. Did he make the right decision to go in the Hudson? It worked out. Did he make the right decision not to go to TOGO? Who knows. Except from the beginning of training we are all taught that if the aircraft is sinking and you can't stop it you ADD power. Would it have made a difference? Who knows.

Is Sully a hero? That is for others to decide. Was Sully lucky with all if the factors of that accident? Absolutely.

My problem is not with Sully and what he did that day. He reacted.

My problem and I think what the west's problem with Sully are his decisions AFTER the accident. He made a conscious and deliberate decision to get on that witness stand and tell that BS story. Sully added nothing to the Addington trial. There was no logical reason for either Sully or Skiles to take part in that DFR trial. They added nothing and the judge and jury saw it for what it was. Celebrity flash to distract from the case.

Sully had embarrassed himself by the time he got off the stand. I was there that day. The jury did not react favorable. When Sully got off the stand he left the court room immediately, and the usapa lawyers all went running after him because he knew that trying to help usapa had cost him credibility.

If you don't believe me ask around. After that trail did Sully ever do anything for usapa after that? Anything! After the Addington trial Sully would not even return phone calls to usapa. One of the reps told me that whenever usapa would get in a bind the east reps would say "let's call Sully" The response from Cleary was "Sully is not returning our phone calls, his people say he is to busy".

Skiles was even worse. He had no reason to be in that court. He appeared to be the angry F/O wanting more than he got. He was proven to be untrustworthy. One of the first things he said was that with the Nicolau he was not going to be a captain. Yet it was proven that at the time he could have held captain in DCA or another base. The jury saw Skiles for what he was.

Neither of them should have been in that court room. What those two did AFTER is the problem the west has with them.

As far as experience flying the airbus. You better check your history. The west has been flying airbus longer then you guys. The west is more experienced. Also most learned when we had to know something about the airplane. Not this AQP comic book version of training.

Sully and SKILES story BS and you would have reacted the same way! YUP YOUR TOAST!

 

[Bill Brasky]

The westies' comments about Sully and Skiles only proves one thing: Children should be seen and not heard. Maybe one day they'll grow up.

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

🙂 OK.

Let's wait and see what Hummel has to say when he returns from the DFW meeting before you start declaring who is toast.

Don't have to wait, remember we should have been out of business years ago, you saved us!, With all your experience you should know best! BTW your toast!

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

The westies' comments about Sully and Skiles only proves one thing: Children should be seen and not heard. Maybe one day they'll grow up.

As clear points out, they should have never been in court that day! Wow a guy in charge and an expert on everthing even resolutions sent to the BPR from PHX, what a brain trust!

 

[luvthe9]

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Well son after the squirming and panty wetting by the east reps at the last BPR meeting over those resolutions

More like laughing our ars's off that was funny.You really are just embarrassing your PHX pilots. Spoiled children.

 

[traderjake]

All you PHX boys need to recall your reps, they are really holding all of you back from growth and an increase in pay.

WW.ROCCLT.COM = ALPA'S PATHETIC REJECTS

You can stop begging the West to come off the NIC so we can get off LOA 93, it ain't going to happen.

By the way, thanks for promoting the recall website.

 

[Bill Brasky]

And you can stop begging the East guys to accept the Nic, so that you can have a raise at their expense.

Yea, sure, a recall. It's the new American Democracy. If your guy doesn't get elected, you try a recall. Next, when that fails you'll be saying he wasn't elected fairly.

If guys like you and Munnster are backing a recall, you can count me on the other side.

 

[luvthe9]

And you can stop begging the East guys to accept the Nic, so that you can have a raise at their expense.

You don't know poor Danny boy he is one of Munn's crusaders and has no respect for his fellow pilots, a true "Traitor".

 

[cleardirect]

As clear points out, they should have never been in court that day! Wow a guy in charge and an expert on everthing even resolutions sent to the BPR from PHX, what a brain trust!

If you say my opinion is wrong. OK

What legal purpose did Sully and Skiles serve in the Addington trial?

Did they have special knowledge of the merger process? Where they on the merger committee? Where they elected reps or serve on any committee?

Of the 3500 east pilots what made those two so special that they needed to testify on the witness stand? So other than being famous why put them on the stand?

Why was it more important to have Sully and Skiles on the stand with no special knowledge yet Steve Bradford refused to take the stand.

I am waiting for your answer.

 

[cleardirect]

Don't have to wait, remember we should have been out of business years ago, you saved us!, With all your experience you should know best! BTW your toast!

So in your opinion the west is toast. Do you have any evidence or is this just something you pulled out of your backside?

Do you have some secret insight from Hummel or Bradford that DOH is just around the corner and the company has fallen in defeat to usapa?

Will the company come crawling to the negotiating table ready to accept the east pilots dream list?

 

[traderjake]

You don't know poor Danny boy he is one of Munn's crusaders and has no respect for his fellow pilots, a true "Traitor".

I disrepect pilots that renege on a contract with their fellow employees because they don't like the result of a mutually agreed upon arbitration.

I've never meet or spoken to CM and he's not a member of the Recall Committee.

 

[traderjake]

If guys like you and Munnster are backing a recall, you can count me on the other side.

Good, it's a small price to pay to distance myself from a guy like you.

 

[end_of_alpa]

I disrepect pilots that renege on a contract with their fellow employees because they don't like the result of a mutually agreed upon arbitration.

I've never meet or spoken to CM and he's not a member of the Recall Committee.

It may be advisable to find another job, sounds like you have problem with the majority of the pilots you fly with, like Bill.

I would have a problem flying with you if you don't respect me....it sounds like conflict of interest.

 

[luvthe9]

I disrepect pilots that renege on a contract with their fellow employees because they don't like the result of a mutually agreed upon arbitration.

I've never meet or spoken to CM and he's not a member of the Recall Committee.

Liar, everyone knows he is, they just do not want his name mentioned because of his "stellar" reputation, everyone knows better, like I said ALPA'S PATHETIC REJECTS.

 

[nevergiveup]

I disrepect pilots that renege on a contract with their fellow employees because they don't like the result of a mutually agreed upon arbitration.

I've never meet or spoken to CM and he's not a member of the Recall Committee.

They didn't renege, they just couldn't get a contract with the list the arbitrator provided. Read what the ninth said about it. I know you guys wanted it badly.(Big red flag!)