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No its not the same old argument, and its really none of your business unless you finally took recall here in CLT. :lol:

ALPA was certifiable irrational loony, grossly failing in their representational responsabilities, and blatantly acting in opposition to its members and even against national's own self interests.

I personally don't think a change in CLT will affect the outcome of the Dallas MOU, but it puts the recall wanabees at risk, more so than the pilots they want to represent. They don't have any concrete, obvious, or persuasive reasons to oust the reps they are suggesting we recall. Just generalized opportunism about general discontent with the lack of progress that we all share. Now that progress is ripe they are jumping into the scene and stand to look like the Caped Maruader trying to steal some thunder or worse if anything goes wrong then they own it.

If they really believe things are dire, and the CLT reps are causing great harm, then by all means they should do everything they can to jump into the middle of it all and insert themselves into the fray. Personally I think the train has left the station and they will look silly trying to jump in front of it to announce they will get us all out of the log jam.

Agreed in full sir.
 
ALPA Delivered BIG TIME for UAL/CAL. USAPA? Closing out 2012 stuck in the mud with only the POW section of a new contract settled. At this rate, rampers will make more than the pilots at some point.

If USAPA hasn't delivered anything to the East at the expense of the West, why are you already spending all that "damages" money? Never mind, keep sigining like a canary in the coal mine. The unions aren't parties to the NDA to discuss a new line of crew meals.
 
Let's review.

DAL/NWA. ALPA carrier merged have a contract.
UAL/CAL ALPA carrier merged have a contract
AMR. APA carrier got a contract.
SWA/AirTran. ALPA/SWAPPA carrier merged have a contract.

Usapa. Failed

No Clear, in their minds they're winning. They have their DOH with separate ops and they don't care that soon they'll be paid less than FAs at other carriers. I can't believe that they seriously thought they could have a new contract and DOH. Nobody short of being brain dead could be that dumb. Their plan all along was separate ops forever.

Bean
 
No its not the same old argument, and its really none of your business unless you finally took recall here in CLT. :lol:

ALPA was certifiable irrational loony, grossly failing in their representational responsabilities, and blatantly acting in opposition to its members and even against national's own self interests.

I personally don't think a change in CLT will affect the outcome of the Dallas MOU, but it puts the recall wanabees at risk, more so than the pilots they want to represent. They don't have any concrete, obvious, or persuasive reasons to oust the reps they are suggesting we recall. Just generalized opportunism about general discontent with the lack of progress that we all share. Now that progress is ripe they are jumping into the scene and stand to look like the Caped Maruader trying to steal some thunder or worse if anything goes wrong then they own it.

If they really believe things are dire, and the CLT reps are causing great harm, then by all means they should do everything they can to jump into the middle of it all and insert themselves into the fray. Personally I think the train has left the station and they will look silly trying to jump in front of it to announce they will get us all out of the log jam.


Usapa and the CLT reps are failures. So if the MOU fails by whatever definition you may come up with . That is all on them not the new guys if they get elected.
Ha ha. Now that is funny you talk about the log jam. That was the sales job usapa used. That usapa would break the log jam of ALPA. Well here are 5 years later and the problem is still the east pilots. The log jam is not an organization it is east pilots failure to accept the Nicolau.

 
ALPA Delivered BIG TIME for UAL/CAL. USAPA? Closing out 2012 stuck in the mud with only the POW section of a new contract settled. At this rate, rampers will make more than the pilots at some point.

United ALPA pilots were interested in seniority rights before the nicolau award.

"AGENDA ITEM NO.
UAL-MEC Merger Committee Report
January 2006 UAL-MEC Meeting
While the UAL-MEC Merger Committee does not usually submit written reports to the
regular quarterly MEC meetings unless some merger activity is ongoing, our committee
seems to be the focus of increased interest these days. Effective January 1, 2006, your
new UAL-MEC Merger Committee assumed office. Your new committee personnel are:
Chairman David A. Smith
B-767 / 757 Captain DENFO
Seniority Number 882
Member Brian Graver
A-320 F/O SFOFO
Seniority Number 6174
Alternate Member Garth Thompson
B-767 / 757 F/O ORDFO
Seniority Number 3902
As you can plainly see, our committee represents a healthy cross-section of the United
pilot group. We all wanted to thank the UAL-MEC for their confidence and trust in
electing us to this important committee.
While we do not know any more than what is in the public eye, we do know that Glenn
Tilton has made numerous public comments concerning industry consolidation and
potential acquisitions. Your UAL-MEC Merger Committee fully understands the
significant responsibility we have concerning protecting the future of our pilot group.
Our committee has already embarked on an information gathering and educational
effort amongst ourselves. We have collected all of the merger decisions dating back
over half a century and are studying these seniority integrations. We do know that no
matter what happens in this industry, this committee will be prepared to deal with the
decision of our management.
We also know that the United pilots have high expectations, and rightfully so, of the
protection of their career expectations after having suffered so much in bankruptcy. We
know that this committee has the strong support of the MEC and we look forward to
your continued input, recommendations and ideas as to how to best represent the
United pilot group.
Best wishes for a successful 2006. We are prepared.
David Smith
Brian Graver
Garth Thompson"

Son, you cant handle the truth.
 
Maybe you should wait until your seniority list is worked out before you bang your mini snare drum?

Now we pilots at US Airways know you UAL pilots have experts on seniority arbitration's.
During one of the many times US Airways was talking merger with UAL, your fellow UAL pilots were helping with the nicolau award with your "neutral arbiters". Brucia, Gillen, Rice and Prater. Correct me if I am wrong please. All of those pilots that were involved in helping nicolau at that time, are they not now UAL pilots?

We pilots at us airways? Claxon finally after telling lies all these months you finally come clean. You have told us that you were not a pilot at us airways. Turns out you are.

Is there a single decent trustworthy east pilot that is capable of understanding the truth let alone speaking it?
 
Usapa and the CLT reps are failures. So if the MOU fails by whatever definition you may come up with . That is all on them not the new guys if they get elected.
Ha ha. Now that is funny you talk about the log jam. That was the sales job usapa used. That usapa would break the log jam of ALPA. Well here are 5 years later and the problem is still the east pilots. The log jam is not an organization it is east pilots failure to accept the Nicolau.

You will never be happy and will always complain.. Ha, you are a real pilot.

Dallas MOU, pilot seniority cooperation, you will still be unhappy. :lol:
 
You know what, your right I just can't stand scum like "Traitor" and his group that are trying to foul things up at a crucial time. My bad!!!
Foul things up at a critical time. You funny guy. East pilots have been fouling things up for 20 years.

Usapa has been fouling things up for 5 years. You are fooling yourself if you thing usapa is going to have any say in this merger. APA and Parker are going to explain using small words how this is going to happen.

It will not matter which CLT pilot is siting at the BPR.
 
UAL-MEC Merger Committee Report
April 2006 UAL-MEC Meeting
It seems that one of the most common questions we receive from the line pilot is who
exactly is on the UAL-MEC Merger Committee. We assume that the average pilot who
asks this question wants to make certain that one particular seniority group is not “overrepresented”
or “under-represented” on our committee. As you can see from the
volunteers listed below on our committee, we have an excellent cross-section of the
United pilots’ seniority list.
Chairman David A. Smith
B-767 / 757 Captain DENFO
Seniority Number 882
Hire Date – April 4, 1985
Member Brian Graver
A-320 F/O SFOFO
Seniority Number 6174
Hire Date – September 8, 1997
Alternate Member Garth Thompson
B-767 / 757 F/O DENFO
Seniority Number 3902
Hire Date – January 18, 1993
The budget for the UAL-MEC Merger Committee that you approved at the January 2006
regular UAL-MEC meeting in Chicago for the budget year 2006 was $15,000. In 2005,
the budget was $5,000. Obviously if there is merger activity on this property, an
assessment of our pilot group is likely and most of our expenses will come out of that
assessment. In the interim, it is assumed that due to the public comments of United
Airline’s Chief Executive Officer, that industry consolidation is a likely outcome of the
“problems” of the legacy carriers. Thus the reason for the increase in budget for our
committee. Thank you for that!
We will be distributing an in-depth document concerning mergers to the MEC at the
April 2006 meeting in Chicago. This document attempts to explain how mergers are
addressed by our collective bargaining agreement, ALPA merger and fragmentation
policy and the UAL-MEC policy manual. Also at the MEC meeting, there will be a
comprehensive presentation by Mr. Dan Akins concerning the future of industry
consolidation. Your MEC Merger Committee will make a presentation after Mr. Akins on
Wednesday going over the extensive merger document you will be receiving at the
meeting.
It is our intention, with your direction, to provide a greatly condensed version of the
document you receive for the United pilots. It is important that this committee and the
MEC remain fully engaged with our pilots concerning the potential of mergers and that
we all stay out in front of this issue.
Your UAL-MEC Merger Committee fully understands the significant responsibility we
have concerning protecting the future of our pilot group. As you already know, the
UAL-MEC policy manual states that we should, “rigorously pursue an equitable seniority
integration in accordance with ALPA International Merger Policy, with particular
emphasis on protecting the seniority, career expectations, and quality of life of all UAL
pilots
”. Pretty straightforward.
As always, our committee thanks you for your support and encourages your questions.
Fraternally,
UAL-MEC Merger Committee
David Smith Brian Graver Garth Thompson
Chairman Member Alternate Member
 
We pilots at us airways? Claxon finally after telling lies all these months you finally come clean. You have told us that you were not a pilot at us airways. Turns out you are.

Is there a single decent trustworthy east pilot that is capable of understanding the truth let alone speaking it?
Talk to jetz first.
 
We pilots at us airways? Claxon finally after telling lies all these months you finally come clean. You have told us that you were not a pilot at us airways. Turns out you are.

Is there a single decent trustworthy east pilot that is capable of understanding the truth let alone speaking it?
Clear, So let us guess you never stole our info tied up a safety hotline or sent poo to USAPA HQ, or told BS pension propaganda, I will give you a pass but pleezyour "more gothic than thou " attitude is getting more childish by the day!
 
In closing, we want to thank you for your engagement and continued support. We encourage you to stay informed to the best of your ability and we will make every attempt to make sure you are kept up to date with current information within the constraints of the NDA.
In Unity,
CLT Chairman Bill McKee
CLT Vice Chairman Steve Crimi
CLT Vice Chairman DeWitt Ingram
DCA Chairman Joe Stein
DCA Vice Chairman Pete Dugstad
PHL Chairman Steve "Spike" Szpyrka
PHL Vice Chairman Mike Gillies
PHL Vice Chairman Jamie Weidner Glad to see everyone working together.

Did the PHX reps find something in this letter they couldn't sign onto? Maybe they were upset that it doesn't divide earned senior pilot PBGC benefits equally to pilots that never had the pension.
 
ALPA Delivered BIG TIME for UAL/CAL. USAPA? Closing out 2012 stuck in the mud with only the POW section of a new contract settled. At this rate, rampers will make more than the pilots at some point.
You have ramp experience, "GO FOR IT"
 
MR. SYZMANSKI: Your Honor, we have discussed in our
papers a request for mediation. But I assume that since the
opposition of the West class is that they don't see any reason
to participate, that the Court doesn't see any utility in that.

THE COURT: (Judge Silver) Everybody -- one side is going to stand
stiffly against the other. It doesn't make any sense. It's a needless consumption of time. Thank you for raising that.

MR. SYZMANSKI: I appreciate that, Your Honor.
 
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