Dec 2012 / Jan 2013 US Pilots Labor Discussion

[luvthe9]

USAPA's patron saint: St. Happenin'

Yes, the American Airlines pilots have always sought to equitably integrate all those who come into contact with their careers. They absolutely are all about honoring the Nicolau, even when it wasn't ever implemented. After all, they will see the honor in putting all the young West aviators as far above them as they can. This is always what they have always done. Done deal. I have to give the PHX reps credit for seeing the issues in a clear and cognitive manner. This ability to forsee the future is a gift the PHX reps apparently acquired at a very young age.

 

[Phoenix]

Yes, the American Airlines pilots have always sought to equitably integrate all those who come into contact with their careers. They absolutely are all about honoring the Nicolau, even when it wasn't ever implemented. After all, they will see the honor in putting all the young West aviators as far above them as they can. This is always what they have always done. Done deal. I have to give the PHX reps credit for seeing the issues in a clear and cognitive manner. This ability to forsee the future is a gift the PHX reps apparently acquired at a very young age.

And APA is seeking to spread their A and B fund to all pilots equally, especially to be fair to those pilot that never had one.

 

[Beancounter]

DOH without fences....agreed unfair.

O' brother 🙄 Say hello to Nic number 2.

Bean

 

[Beancounter]

At least I'm not manipulated by a lawyer taking money from me that I will never see again! You guys will believe anything! I'm going to let you learn this lesson on your own!

So said the pot to the kettle.

LMAO

Bean

 

[cleardirect]

So then can we mark you down as being uncooperative in addition to seeking PBGC confiscation and redistribution?

Hey short bus. I understand that you have trouble comprehending concepts.

But that resolution said nothing about confiscating or redistributing PBGC money.

You guys love to make stuff up, trust the facts and continue the lies.

Karma is a #### and she is warming up a big old slap for the east pilots.

 

[cleardirect]

Duplicate

 

[cleardirect]

DOH without fences....agreed unfair.

there are no fence or restriction that make DOH in this merger

 

[cleardirect]

Yes, the American Airlines pilots have always sought to equitably integrate all those who come into contact with their careers. They absolutely are all about honoring the Nicolau, even when it wasn't ever implemented. After all, they will see the honor in putting all the young West aviators as far above them as they can. This is always what they have always done. Done deal. I have to give the PHX reps credit for seeing the issues in a clear and cognitive manner. This ability to forsee the future is a gift the PHX reps apparently acquired at a very young age.

You need to include your self in that statement. The APA boys don't want to put old east pilot far above them either.

 

[A320 Driver]

If you do get a due over, the question remains; have you learned from your failures? Has the previously unfathomable thought that DOH in our situation is not fair, crept into your heads yet?

Bean

Oh no question Bean. IMO, a do over under M/B is the only way this will ever be over. Fed oversight, Fed arbitrators, final, done, over, live with it. We would ALL be better off.

Driver...

 

[Phoenix]

Hey short bus. I understand that you have trouble comprehending concepts.

But that resolution said nothing about confiscating or redistributing PBGC money.

You guys love to make stuff up, trust the facts and continue the lies.

Karma is a #### and she is warming up a big old slap for the east pilots.

Duplicate

I am confident the reps in Dallas are a bit more civil.. cooperative if you will.

 

[prechilill]

I consider myself to get along with just about anyone, but I must say that your interest in the contents of my pockets during thoughts of corporation.. well I'm not sure if I should be totally comfortable with that.

Say again, this time in english...

"thoughts of corporation"

Posting drunk this afternoon? Or is the meds from your med leave? Get well soon, hope you return to the line. A few people probably miss you too and want to talk to you about your predictions from years past... LOL

 

[prechilill]

I am confident the reps in Dallas are a bit more civil.. cooperative if you will.

Compared to east pilots? Yes. We agree.

 

[Phoenix]

Compared to east pilots? Yes. We agree.

Agree? Ah, there you go, practicing cooperativeness. The water in Dallas has a way of persuading everyone to be cooperative. 🙂

 

[Phoenix]

Oh no question Bean. IMO, a do over under M/B is the only way this will ever be over. Fed oversight, Fed arbitrators, final, done, over, live with it. We would ALL be better off.

Driver...

MB arbitration would certainly put a nail in it but I think the APA and USAPA must recognize an important difference between submitting to an an arbitrator versus coming to a cooperative agreement. On the one hand arbitrators act like judges and try to settle scores but on the other hand the company isn't here to play judge and jury and won't see any need to settle old disputes and perceived injustices amongst various union members. An arbitrator has to come up with a scheme to make everyone equal considering the past and the future (think pensions, growth, pay rates, retirements, whatever..all the unfairness can be "fixed" by the arbitrator) whereas the company are businessmen interested in everyone letting bygones be bygones so we all move forward profitably.

IMHO the risk of going to arbitration for anything is a lose, lose proposition for APA and USAPA. I know, I know, have pilots ever been cooperative in a merger...

 

[A320 Driver]

MB arbitration would certainly put a nail in it but I think the APA and USAPA must recognize an important difference between submitting to an an arbitrator versus coming to a cooperative agreement. On the one hand arbitrators act like judges and try to settle scores but on the other hand the company isn't here to play judge and jury and won't see any need to settle old disputes and perceived injustices amongst various union members. An arbitrator has to come up with a scheme to make everyone equal considering the past and the future (think pensions, growth, pay rates, retirements, whatever..all the unfairness can be "fixed" by the arbitrator) whereas the company are businessmen interested in everyone letting bygones be bygones so we all move forward profitably.

IMHO the risk of going to arbitration for anything is a lose, lose proposition for APA and USAPA. I know, I know, have pilots ever been cooperative in a merger...

Great question with a simple answer...no. But the shame of it is, it is not that they cannot find middle ground, it is political cover they are seeking. The merger committees usually want a bad guy to point the finger at instead of having fingers pointed at them in the crew rooms. Makes you wonder why the heck they would want to be on such a committee when failure is the obvious outcome.
The reason I keep mentioning M/B is because the process is defined by law, not union politics. Give them the lists, show them the current paradigm, and ask them to craft something that we can live with. I doubt if the Creditors committee wants any part of this dispute, so my guess is the company will have to become involved of sorts to get this moving. They can always hide behind M/B and it just seems to me to be the answer the courts have been seeking to finally settle it. Oh, I have no doubt that someone will file a suit...the lawyers have houses and cars to pay for and mouths to feed, but I can't see that kind of litigation gaining much traction since over 5 years of wrangling didn't see the NIC used for anything other than something to hold up a paperweight.

Just some thoughts...

Driver...