Dec 2012 / Jan 2013 US Pilots Labor Discussion

[Walmartgreeter]

MB arbitration would certainly put a nail in it but I think the APA and USAPA must recognize an important difference between submitting to an an arbitrator versus coming to a cooperative agreement. On the one hand arbitrators act like judges and try to settle scores but on the other hand the company isn't here to play judge and jury and won't see any need to settle old disputes and perceived injustices amongst various union members. An arbitrator has to come up with a scheme to make everyone equal considering the past and the future (think pensions, growth, pay rates, retirements, whatever..all the unfairness can be "fixed" by the arbitrator) whereas the company are businessmen interested in everyone letting bygones be bygones so we all move forward profitably.

IMHO the risk of going to arbitration for anything is a lose, lose proposition for APA and USAPA.    I know, I know, have pilots ever been cooperative in a merger...

Yep. Lose, lose for APA and USAPA going to arbitration. USAPA should fear (as did AirTran) an income based argument in front of an arbitrator. APA can get everything it wants, even with straight DOH and big fences and restrictions. Long enough for us all to go away. No sense in risking even a chance of a NIC type award skewed in one direction. APA has paid attention to the missteps of all those that came before them in post 911 BK's. I am sure they have this all figured out. That is unless they are actually in Dallas discussing the NIC. You think?!Greeter

 

[EastUS1]

Posting drunk this afternoon? Or is the meds from your med leave? Get well soon, hope you return to the line. A few people probably miss you too and want to talk to you about your predictions from years past... LOL

Young Lady; if you've ever need of humorous interface with times past; you need never look any further than your own makeup mirror: Prechill Dec 2007 "Ho Ho Ho! Saint nic is coming to town!" 🙂 Should that not suffice for serious laughter...well...there's a host of your similarly juvenile, and equally incorrect, posted fantasies available in the archives.

 

[EastUS1]

Yep. Lose, lose for APA and USAPA going to arbitration. USAPA should fear (as did AirTran) an income based argument in front of an arbitrator. APA can get everything it wants, even with straight DOH and big fences and restrictions. Long enough for us all to go away. No sense in risking even a chance of a NIC type award skewed in one direction. APA has paid attention to the missteps of all those that came before them in post 911 BK's. I am sure they have this all figured out. That is unless they are actually in Dallas discussing the NIC. You think?!Greeter

Indeed Greeter. Same page here sir. Let us reasonably hope that such wisdom is present in both the APA people and ours.

 

[lynyrdskynyrd]

This is not gonna be pretty, if it happens. I'm glad I have 20 years left....I think. The APA doesn't want the NIC. No wait, yes they do, they don't want the liability, blah blah blah. None of us has the foggiest idea.

Although DP and the APA together, if they so choose, can really put the hurt on all of us fools.

 

[EastUS1]

Compared to east pilots? Yes. We agree.

I gather that you imagine your response there to be an exercise in civility? 🙂 No matter really, in that all of this is generally nothing more than venting.

 

[EastUS1]

This is not gonna be pretty, if it happens. I'm glad I have 20 years left....I think. The APA doesn't want the NIC. No wait, yes they do, they don't want the liability, blah blah blah. None of us has the foggiest idea.

Although DP and the APA together, if they so choose, can really put the hurt on all of us fools.

Well put LS. "Interesting Times" indeed sir. The wisdom inherent in the "...I think", sans any too-often-seen-here, infantile "certainty", referencing another 20 years impresses me, but doesn't surprise, based on earlier conversations here. Were I to play-back the "movie" of my last 20 to better yet, 22 years or so now...well...there certainly were a "few" surprises...some much more pleasant than others. I wish you the best personally, however this mess works out. None of this should have reasonably ever happened in the first place, or at all...but....here we are.

 

[EastUS1]

The APA boys don't want to put old east pilot far above them either.

Ummm....but your sustaining and required fantasy here, is that they'd be utterly jubilant about placing such as your pathetic, greedy self above them, for the entire rest of their careers?....Why would that be?...Because your Mom thought you "cute" as yet an even younger infant?....Or because you must imagine that the mighty "nic" equates to some thermonuclear warhead in their estimation? Hmm...I see....just take a few deep, slow breaths, try to relax...and the nice men in the white coats will be along very shortly. 🙂

 

[nevergiveup]

So said the pot to the kettle.

LMAO

Bean

I haven't been paying dues plus a lawyer, have you? LMAO

 

[lynyrdskynyrd]

I haven't been paying dues plus a lawyer, have you? LMAO

Just wait, you may yet be. You'll love it. It's tons of fun, trust me. Never know what's coming down the pike on this one.

 

[EastUS1]

USAPA's patron saint: St. Happenin'

I stand in utter awe of both such exquisite, expressive elegance and philosophical refinement. I've only one question = Do you properly represent the aggregate intellect of those that elected you out west? If so: Were they subsequently harvested for their chemical resources, or even utility value as bath sponges? 🙂

"Dude!...Where's my "Integrity Matters" T-shirt!?...(insert hopelessly mindless drool as felt needed here)..."St. Happenin' "Huh? Dude..Wassup?"..."Spartans rock!"... ."St. Happenin' " 😉

Forrest Gump would be properly embarrased at even the slightest association with such as yourself and your sorry lot.

You would do well to avoid attempting any "comeback" here, "cactusboy", as you've not half the needed brains to do so, and afterwards, even slightly sustain yourself in subsequent "discussion". Keep it to the the infantile drooling, and maintain your comfort zone...or take your chances...little "spartan" 🙂

 

[Claxon]

Jury and Wake shot all this B.S. down too. You and your delusionally brain damaged cohorts are alone on an island.

"Pursuant to the mandate of the Court of Appeals (Doc. 647),
IT IS ORDERED that the Partial Judgment and Permanent Injunction entered July 17,
2009 (Doc. 594), is vacated.

IT IS FURTHER ordered that the Clerk enter judgment dismissing this action for lack
of subject matter jurisdiction.
DATED this 12th day of August, 2010"

The Honorable Judge Neil Wake

 

[Claxon]

Duplicate

You have many of these posts, but do not provide the above disclaimer amply enough.

 

[Claxon]

Say again, this time in english...

"thoughts of corporation"

Posting drunk this afternoon?

Better than flying drunk.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/America_West_Flight_556

 

[Claxon]

This is not gonna be pretty, if it happens. I'm glad I have 20 years left....I think. The APA doesn't want the NIC. No wait, yes they do, they don't want the liability, blah blah blah. None of us has the foggiest idea.

Although DP and the APA together, if they so choose, can really put the hurt on all of us fools.

No merger unless the US Airways pilots approve, period. The AMR Creditors committee is aware of this.

 

[A320 Driver]

No merger unless the US Airways pilots approve, period. The AMR Creditors committee is aware of this.

B.S. The management doesn't have to say another word to us. They want our cooperation but I doubt seriously it is essential.

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