Dec 2012 / Jan 2013 US Pilots Labor Discussion

[Claxon]

Metroyet, on 20 December 2012 - 02:24 PM, said:


"Probably wanted to get a jump on the next scabbing opportunity."

Claxon post below
"Elaborate please. How can anyone be any more of a scab than a america west pilot and the United, Continental pilots? If you would like for me to add a link, make my day. Or you can add a link to your accusations. I am just trying to be Franke."

Still in the dance metroyet?

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[Metroyet]

You are working at US Airways because daddy got you the job. Never forget it.

Why would a parent do that to their child?

 

[Claxon]

Why would a parent do that to their child?

Scab accusations made by you, your comments please.

 

[signals]

Looks like the end of USAPA is near.

I guess the APA pilots are not so keen on welcoming the East pilots after all:

http://www.thestreet...oo&cm_ven=YAHOO

That means no merger, doesn't it? Or did I miss when APA met with ALPA? 🙄 😛

 

[signals]

http://www.thestreet...oo&cm_ven=YAHOO

"An increasingly vocal but so far small group of American (AAMRQ.PK) pilots is opposing a merger with US Airways. (LCC_), saying its seniority could be threatened."

Many others besides the pilots oppose the merger.
So what's your point?

 

[CallawayGolf]

That's what the West argued. George Nicolau has never flown professionally, knows little about aviation like all arbitrators so let's put 50 hour pilots in front of seasoned flight crewmembers and let them lead us.

Makes logical sense.....according to those that have the most to gain.

Of course the Nicolau award didn't do anything of the sort. Those that where the most junior at their respective pre-merger companies remained junior on the combined list. Those who were furloughed came back to a more junior position below active pilots just as logic would dictate.

What the award didn't do was to take a furloughed pilot and place him senior to someone who had been active and holding the left seat for years prior to the merger.

 

[Claxon]

Of course the Nicolau award didn't do anything of the sort. Those that where the most junior at their respective pre-merger companies remained junior on the combined list. Those who were furloughed came back to a more junior position below active pilots just as logic would dictate.

What the award didn't do was to take a furloughed pilot and place him senior to someone who had been active and holding the left seat for years prior to the merger.

Time to move on, your argument has been settled by the court.

The honorable Judge Silver order of the court.

"Pursuant to the Court’s resolution of the motions for summary judgment,
IT IS ORDERED Counts I and III of the complaint are dismissed and judgment is
entered in favor of US Airline Pilots Association on Count II of the complaint. US Airline
Pilots Association’s seniority proposal does not breach its duty of fair representation
provided it is supported by a legitimate union purpose. This judgment is binding on the
following class: “All pilots employed by US Airways in September 2008 who were on the
America West seniority list on September 20, 2005.”
DATED this 4th day of December, 2012.

 

[EastUS1]

I think they should put new hires in front of 30 year pilots. An Arbitrator uses arbitrary decision making, not safety and common sense.

Well...good ole' St. Nic sought to place newhires above those at the 16 or so year mark...anything's possible in the insane world of the arbitrary arbitrators, it seems, and common sense of any sort be damned.

 

[nycbusdriver]

Looks like the end of USAPA is near.

I guess the APA pilots are not so keen on welcoming the East pilots after all:

http://www.thestreet...oo&cm_ven=YAHOO

Of course not every pilot at AA is in favor of the merger. Of course there is concern over some of the ramifications, whether real or imagined.

But the article hardly supports your contention that "the APA pilots are not so keen on welcoming the East pilots after all."

You have totally twisted the dissent of not many AA pilots into a (typical from you) Chicken Little call of "Goodness, gracious me! The sky is falling down!"

Besides that, the article says nothing about "east" pilots. It says that a small number of AA pilots are not in favor of the merger due to seniority concerns. Who is to say that their concern is not that some arbitrator may actually consider the Nicolau award and put all those new-hire west pilots in front of that 27 year, Dallas-based 737 captain. The truth may very well be that they don't want the west pilots in the mix. But, of course, you assume it is the fault of the east pilots.

If your interpretation of the article were accurate, one might conjecture that the acceptance of the Nicolau award by USAPA is imminent because an east pilot "traderjake" favors it.

 

[CallawayGolf]

Time to move on, your argument has been settled by the court.

The honorable Judge Silver order of the court.

"Pursuant to the Court’s resolution of the motions for summary judgment,
IT IS ORDERED Counts I and III of the complaint are dismissed and judgment is
entered in favor of US Airline Pilots Association on Count II of the complaint. US Airline
Pilots Association’s seniority proposal does not breach its duty of fair representation
provided it is supported by a legitimate union purpose. This judgment is binding on the
following class: “All pilots employed by US Airways in September 2008 who were on the
America West seniority list on September 20, 2005.”
DATED this 4th day of December, 2012.

Settled you say and yet you are still on LOA93, still parked by the NMB, and under a permanent injunction by a federal judge in your own backyard. Your definition of settled leaves as much to be desired as USAPA does at fulfilling it purpose as a "labor union".

 

[Claxon]

Settled you say and yet you are still on LOA93, still parked by the NMB, and under a permanent injunction by a federal judge in your own backyard. Your definition of settled leaves as much to be desired as USAPA does at fulfilling it purpose as a "labor union".

Please refer your future questions regarding Judge Silver's order to Marty and Andy. Enjoy your time at Frontier Airlines.

 

[CallawayGolf]

Please refer your future questions regarding Judge Silver's order to Marty and Andy. Enjoy your time at Frontier Airlines.

Just when I thought you couldn't drift off into the weeds of utter nonsense any further you come up with this? I assume this is some attempt to suggest that the west operations will be acquired by Frontier. The weeds must be really deep out there.

 

[luvthe9]

Please refer your future questions regarding Judge Silver's order to Marty and Andy. Enjoy your time at Frontier Airlines.

Which might not be to far off!!!!!!!!!

 

[Claxon]

Dear creditors committee and East pilots.

america west pilots, rico defendants and identity thieves, will explain rationally in the following west pilot produced video, what happened when explaining how a former america west pilot supervisor stole personal information from company computers regarding East pilots. Doug Park had to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars in legal and lifelock fees to cover it up.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5w_hXqqxTo

 

[luvthe9]

Says a guy from the Cleary/McKee crowd.

There will be a recall attempt, we'll see if there's a recall.

What there won't be is a DOH contract.

Don't be suprised Danny boy if the recall attempt is on Hummel.