Dec 2012 / Jan 2013 US Pilots Labor Discussion

[traderjake]

Read some of their posts. The ones about the junior west guys and the Nicolau are interesting. Supports what we have said all along. The APA guys know the age of the East pilots. They know the age of the West pilots. They surmised correctly that putting a bunch of younger guys ahead of the East guys, then merging the list is damaging to them. You guys better get a grip on reality. The APA guys know the Nicolau is not for them.

" I find your little group of anti merge pilots to be uninformed, or worse a tool of this failed management team. Either way you are undermining the efforts of our Union to secure the best future for the pilots of American Airlines."

 

[A320 Driver]

What did they say?

Combining 2 lists. Not three.

Arbitration considering routes, aircraft and flying. Did they mention DOH as the only factor?

You east guys should be paying attention.

And so should you. You better hope your routes and flying aren't put under a microscope. Whoever is looking at them will see how much East flying it takes to prop up the PHX base to accomodate min fleet count.

Driver...

 

[Move2CLT]

"Your" reps have been reading a lot of stuff lately. And they will keep getting 8-3 votes on it from now on. They should have brokered a deal instead of going for broke.

Driver...

STFU you idiot.

And as an FYI, you're still on LOA93 and no DOH in sight. Nic is still the only list the company has and its about to be put to good use in the next SLI.

Go for broke? No. You guys went for broke and have been broken.

Merry Christmas jackass.

 

[cleardirect]

And so should you. You better hope your routes and flying aren't put under a microscope. Whoever is looking at them will see how much East flying it takes to prop up the PHX base to accomodate min fleet count.

Driver...

HINT:

The merger will be between us air and American. Not east west and American. No one is going to look at what each base is doing. An arbitrator will combine 2 lists not three.

The company reports corporate books not east and west books.

 

[Walmartgreeter]

HINT:

The merger will be between us air and American. Not east west and American. No one is going to look at what each base is doing. An arbitrator will combine 2 lists not three.

The company reports corporate books not east and west books.

No NIC, not even on the radar in this merger. And no new arbitration. Ask CactusBoy. Its not the East being kept in the dark. Greeter

 

[cleardirect]

No NIC, not even on the radar in this merger. And no new arbitration. Ask CactusBoy. Its not the East being kept in the dark. Greeter

So in your world the Nicolau no longer exists. The company has just thrown away the Nicolau list they accepted and told the court that they think is the only list.

And the next list will be negotiated not arbitrated.

Meaning you think that the APA will accept DOH and it is a done deal.

Because usapa C&BL and UOM says DOH. So usapa can't negotiate anything other than DOH. Unless APA accepts DOH it will have to go to arbitration.

Keep dreaming.

 

[Claxon]

I'll be in Davidson soon enough.

Nic is it and your reps know it already. Why do you think they isolated Borman? Getting rid of the old crap and cramming the Nic down your throats.

We had reports of you in Davidson months ago U Haul. Just not in that eastern pilot position you dream of.

 

[Claxon]

No NIC, not even on the radar in this merger. And no new arbitration. Ask CactusBoy. Its not the East being kept in the dark. Greeter

Speaking of garbage. Cactus boy has buried you in it for years. The truth of the matter is quite painful to him now. That is why U Haul is so vocal now. Remembering his claims of victory in Silvers court as news leaked Not.

 

[Claxon]

HINT:

The merger will be between us air and American. Not east west and American. No one is going to look at what each base is doing. An arbitrator will combine 2 lists not three.

The company reports corporate books not east and west books.

There is no single LCC list you idiot

 

[luvthe9]

" I find your little group of anti merge pilots to be uninformed, or worse a tool of this failed management team. Either way you are undermining the efforts of our Union to secure the best future for the pilots of American Airlines."

That's a shame, you are in the minority group with Munn, very few US pilots want to merge, we don't need them if you want to subzidize another airline go ahead, AMR boys get about 100 grand for the the merge what do you get?, You just run along Danny boy Rich is calling you now. Hope we recall Hummel.

 

[luvthe9]

EVERYONE here knows the APA WILL NEVER ACCEPT A LIST WITH THE NIC IN IT. GO FIGURE. Sorry Danny boy you should quit if you want to help the west.

 

[Claxon]

Right. Hence the "dangerous ground" comment among others. What is "powerful evidence of a fair result" again?

Provide a LUP and feel free to staple the West...post final and binding arbitration to the contrary. What is the LUP again? I've only asked about 100x never receiving a serious answer...threatening to hold your breath until you turn blue isnt an LUP. Sorry.

Scary, that dangerous ground. The only dangerous ground is the island of PHX, and American banging on the door with LAX plans.

 

[Claxon]

Why don't you get Cactusboy and his apocalyptic predictions to tell you the truth? He needs to be recalled after all the garbage he fed you.

 

[luvthe9]

We had reports of you in Davidson months ago U Haul. Just not in that eastern pilot position you dream of.

Hey, I see Move2 and HP hard at work. That's Move2 sniffing for chicken scraps on the right..

 

[Walmartgreeter]

Clear said:

"So in your world the Nicolau no longer exists. The company has just thrown away the Nicolau list they accepted and told the court that they think is the only list.

And the next list will be negotiated not arbitrated.

Meaning you think that the APA will accept DOH and it is a done deal.

Because usapa C&BL and UOM says DOH. So usapa can't negotiate anything other than DOH. Unless APA accepts DOH it will have to go to arbitration.

Keep dreaming."


Correct, NIC no longer exists. Your argument about the Company "accepting" anything is getting more pitiful and stupidly sad by the day. Is the Company preparing to issue a LBO with the NIC? Might want to ask the NMB first, they might have something to say about end game actions. Not going to happen. They are taking a pass hoping the merger gets them out of any decisions.

Yes, the next list will be negotiated. But the West lawyers, BPR members, Committee Chairs, and individual members have all shunned invitations to participate intra-union on solutions. USAPA has it covered, just as when PHX had no reps. I am sure USAPA will figure out what they "think" you want in the way of conditions and restrictions, since you are silent in fear of ruining your beloved and tenuous DFR.

Of course it is not a "done" deal, and I don't speak for the APA. But those that have spoken to me want no part of NIC, for many reasons (all completely selfish.)

As to the USAPA CBL, you continue fail in your read of the language and what it limits. Read it again. Get back to us all.

Greeter