Dec 2012 / Jan 2013 US Pilots Labor Discussion

[Claxon]

Either you're better versed in that or we're getting different stories. I'm sure both sides have scabs.

Bean

Very insightful! Be specific on the other side accusation.

 

[cleardirect]

Why did it take 3 days to reach MOU?......you're naive. Have you ever baked a cake? All those eggs, a bunch of flour, sugar, and other stuff. Plus, how long to bake it and at what temp.....same with the MOU.

The MOU was done. The 3 days was for the BPR to figure how they were going to sell it to the east pilots after all of the bold promises.

 

[cleardirect]

Discretionary matching contribution that is 50% of employee contributions (salary deferrals) up to 6% of eligible compensation

Company Non-elective Discretionary Contributions Vesting Schedule
— Beginning 1/1/05, 7% of eligible compensation (subject to annual IRS limits on total annual additions to the Plan)
— Salary deferrals, catch-up contributions, after-tax contributions, qualified rollovers into the Plan – 100% vested immediately

 

[traderjake]

If the flying public ever read the posts of Clax or Eastus1, they would demand that an ambulance Meet the airplane (well stocked with straight jackets and syringes).

Claxon doesn't work here although he wants to so he can fly with his East heros.

 

[Claxon]

That was loooong before my time. From what I've read there was no strike, hence no strike line to cross, those pilots quit. If you're going to modify the definition of being a scab, then you mind as well add pilots that replace a real union with a farse designed to get around a labor arbitration.

Bean

This link will be very helpful in describing what a scab is, america west pilots had a mention in this link. Oh hell "Que Sera, Sera (Whatever Will Be, Will Be)"

http://wikileaks-press.org:81/file/airline-pilot-scab-list.pdf

 

[Claxon]

Company Non-elective Discretionary Contributions Vesting Schedule
— Beginning 1/1/05, 7% of eligible compensation (subject to annual IRS limits on total annual additions to the Plan)
— Salary deferrals, catch-up contributions, after-tax contributions, qualified rollovers into the Plan – 100% vested immediately

You were vested in the 7 percent the company matched.

Are you furloughed from america west at this time? Ask luvn737 before you answer, he seem to be very knowledgeable about this.

 

[700UW]

Dont forget how the US East Pilots made a sweetheart deal with US to cross the IAM picket line in 92.

 

[traderjake]

Memorandum of Understanding Q&A

Your APA leadership has received a variety of questions about the memorandum of understanding (MOU) negotiations between APA, AMR and US Airways management, and the US Airline Pilots Association representing the US Airways pilots. While we remain bound by the terms of the non-disclosure agreement we signed that facilitated the MOU negotiations, we can answer the following frequently asked questions regarding the significance of the MOU and what the next steps would be if a merger takes place between American Airlines and US Airways.

Q: What is the MOU and why has it not been released to the pilots?

A: The MOU is the result of negotiations among APA, US Airways, American Airlines and USAPA, along with the participation of counsel for the Unsecured Creditors’ Committee (UCC), regarding the terms of a transition in the event of a possible merger between American and US Airways. These negotiations began after lawyers for the UCC late last year asked APA to engage in discussions with the companies regarding a potential MOU that would govern a pilot transition into a merged entity.

At that time, the merger negotiations had been governed by a confidentiality agreement that the UCC, American and US Airways had negotiated. That agreement prohibited the parties from further negotiations with APA or USAPA during merger negotiations. Accordingly, previous talks among US Airways management, APA and USAPA had ceased in August.

In December, the UCC and the companies asked APA and USAPA to enter into discussions with the companies for the purpose of negotiating an MOU governing the transition into a merged entity in the event of a merger. This allowed the unions to have input regarding the labor consequences from a pilot perspective of a merger. However, the unions’ participation was contingent on their agreement to be bound by a non-disclosure agreement like the other parties to the merger negotiations. USAPA and APA each individually engaged in a series of exchanges over the terms of the agreement and both unions signed the non-disclosure agreement (NDA). The NDA covers a range of confidential business information and, not surprisingly, implicates disclosure obligations under federal securities laws.

Pursuant to the NDA, USAPA and APA have engaged in negotiations over the terms of transition in case of a possible merger, and these terms are contained in the MOU that the APA Board of Directors approved on Dec. 29, 2012 and the USAPA Board of Pilot Representatives (USAPA BPR) approved on Jan. 4, 2013. APA and USAPA have requested that US Airways, American and the UCC agree to permit APA and USAPA to disclose the terms of this MOU notwithstanding the NDA.

Q: When will a complete copy of the MOU be made available to the pilots?

A: We are not certain on timing at this point, but rest assured you will have plenty of time to review the complete MOU well in advance of any merger between US Airways and American. We are working with the companies and the UCC on exact timing and will continue to push for release from the NDA at the earliest opportunity so we can provide you with the MOU.

Q: Why are USAPA-represented pilots being given a copy of the MOU and a vote to ratify?

A: To be clear, the USAPA BPR has reviewed the MOU, but the USAPA pilots, like the APA pilots, have not and cannot review the MOU until USAPA and APA are granted relief from certain provisions of the NDA.

The MOU will act as a brand-new collective bargaining agreement (CBA) for the USAPA pilots, which is why they will have an opportunity to vote on it. However, for APA-represented pilots, the MOU only amends the new CBA, as opposed to creating a whole new agreement.

Q: When does the MOU become effective for APA and USAPA?

A: The MOU does not become effective for APA unless and until a merger is approved as a part of a plan of reorganization (POR). Assuming the USAPA pilots ratify the MOU, it will similarly become effective for them when a merger is approved as a part of a plan of reorganization. However, if the USAPA pilots reject the MOU, it will not apply to USAPA-represented pilots.

Q: If a merger were to occur, when would the reorganized New American Airlines exit bankruptcy?

A: We have no clear answer, as a merger would be subject to, among other things, antitrust review by the Department of Justice. But it is reasonable to expect an exit sometime later in 2013.

Q: Will APA or USAPA represent the combined pilot group?

A: Assuming that a POR with a merger is agreed upon and approved by Bankruptcy Judge Sean Lane, we anticipate that, within four months of the effective date, APA will file a single carrier petition with the National Mediation Board (NMB) to obtain a determination that the post-bankruptcy “New American Airlines” (New American), and US Airways are a single employer for labor relations purposes. We estimate the NMB may take up to six months from the date of filing to make that determination. Once it finds that a single transportation system exists, APA and USAPA have 14 days to produce a showing of interest by 50+ percent of the combined pilot group to trigger a representation election. The combined pilot workforce would be about 12,400 pilots, based on 8,201 pilots represented by APA and 4,197 pilots represented by USAPA. Consequently, the unions would have to produce a showing of interest of approximately 6,200 pilots. Given the numbers, APA will be the likely collective bargaining agent for the combined pilot group.

 

[traderjake]

"Once it finds that a single transportation system exists, APA and USAPA have 14 days to produce a showing of interest by 50+ percent of the combined pilot group to trigger a representation election. The combined pilot workforce would be about 12,400 pilots, based on 8,201 pilots represented by APA and 4,197 pilots represented by USAPA. Consequently, the unions would have to produce a showing of interest of approximately 6,200 pilots. Given the numbers, APA will be the likely collective bargaining agent for the combined pilot group."

 

[Beancounter]

The MOU was done. The 3 days was for the BPR to figure how they were going to sell it to the east pilots after all of the bold promises.

Those good ole' bold promises. I'd say we're a ways past the 90 days till' DOH and a new contract🙂

Bean

 

[Claxon]

Dont forget how the US East Pilots made a sweetheart deal with US to cross the IAM picket line in 92.

Could you please provide documentation of your accusations.

I can save you the trouble, it is non existent.

It would be like me accusing your IAM members of defecating in passenger bags during the IAM conflict. This happened but there is no DNA proof to link you to this.

 

[Claxon]

Claxon doesn't work here although he wants to so he can fly with his East heros.

Your US Airways pilot Daddy got you your pilot job, education and ratings. Self made men are respected.

 

[traderjake]

Your US Airways pilot Daddy got you your pilot job, education and ratings. Self made men are respected.

Have you considered becoming a Flight Attendant if you're not a pilot, that way you can be closer to your heros?

 

[Claxon]

Have you considered becoming a Flight Attendant if you're not a pilot, that way you can be closer to your heros?

Nerdy question. A self made man would not have asked that question of another.

Good night mamas boy.

 

[Claxon]

Hey west pilots. How is Eddie Chandler who was in the Australian pilot recruitment video doing? f/o Dailey is still working for america west, although according to the army of lyingitas list, he did not make titanium.

I noticed on the scab list it included your original america west airlines director of operations and chief pilot. Those same pilots were arrested and convicted of flying drugs.

Recently an america west pilot manager stole East pilot identity information from company computers and handed it over to the america west pilot army of lyingitas pilots that were involved in a rico suit. The company paid for life lock subscription for one year for all pilots due to this breach.

Now I am the guy that always requests documentation of such accusations. Do not make me a hypocrite. Ask, I will do my very best to provide information for you.

Bean Counter conveniently says we should forget the past, but most of that was in 1989. To a mamas boy that is the past, to a man that was yesterday.

Have a pleasant evening.