Dec 2012 / Jan 2013 US Pilots Labor Discussion

[cleardirect]

They won't violate anything in the NDA, but there are those who will use the cloak of the NDA to invent all kinds of innuendo and false smears that can't be answered. If the pilots want cupcakes, cupcakes they will get.

I thought the east pilots wanted usapa because it was ALPA that was bad. Turns out it was the east pilots all along.

Your own worst enemies.

 

[dca319]

I have to sign off....flying in the morning.

I just have to say that political agendas have no good purpose here, or anywhere that might influence the line pilots decision. You cocksuckers should be shot!
breeze

And you should jam your head back into your hole.

 

[cleardirect]

I agree, Bean. Not a smart thing on Ingram's part.

What pisses me off is for dca319 and Chip to jump in with their political spins....blurring the truth for the line pilot. This is an important time for us all and we don't need to be mislead by people with their own agendas.....advancing themselves with deception.

breeze

What would you call the rant from Glynn other than political spin blurring the truth to advance their own agenda?

Open your eyes man.

 

[cleardirect]

OK, maybe I missed the emails from the other 2 reps, just got Ingram's. Can you post those other 2 for the record? I am a fair person, but show me the facts......that is all the line pilot asks for. FAIRNESS and FACTS....not spinning BS.
breeze

You voted for the wrong union. usapa has been anything but fair and factual.

 

[dca319]

It's becoming quite obvious that Glynn's job here was to leak McKee's message. These CLT reps are setting themselves up to come off free and clear of this MOU. They voted to send it out under pressure from our group and now want to distance themselves from it with this crap they're pulling. They're trying to scuttle the MOU at our expense to save their bacon. It's not going to happen. This whole story about Crimi being a hero and using leverage to get more from the company is a made up story leaked to Glynn to spread with his "rage" at the other reps sprinkled in for good measure.

We're being played again! This time it's by CLT.

 

[Phoenix]

It's becoming quite obvious .....They voted to send it out under pressure from our group and now want to distance themselves from it ... to save their bacon. It's not going to happen.

You think parts of the MOU suck worse than LOA 93, and you want to smear the CLT reps for caving to "pressure" that your group exerted? You are mad at them because they agreed to join the soft side? We have multiple unanimous BPR votes on two different MOUs but some pilots think its good to switch BPR members?

And the line pilots are better off how?

 

[mrbreeze]

They voted to send it out under pressure from our group.

Ah...the last word, eh?

Please explain who "our group" is and what exactly your agenda is that will best serve the line pilot. It's obvious that you have a political agenda to get the CLT reps thrown out.....what else do you represent.....just more political BS? My guess is that it has NOTHING to do with us line pilots. DH!!!

breeze

 

[Phoenix]

And you should jam your head back into your hole.

He is asking for more information and you disrespect him by insinuating he is ignorant, unimportant, or an ostrich? The APA will be lucky if they dodge this train wreck.

 

[Phoenix]

At least the APA has their pension and $100k signing bonus.

 

[dca319]

Ah...the last word, eh?

Please explain who "our group" is and what exactly your agenda is that will best serve the line pilot. It's obvious that you have a political agenda to get the CLT reps thrown out.....what else do you represent.....just more political BS? My guess is that it has NOTHING to do with us line pilots. DH!!!

breeze

The group of pilots who wanted to vote on this MOU. The group of pilots who want to vote on their own future. That's what USAPA is supposed to allow and that's just what it's going to do. And now CLT wants to save its skin at the cost of the MOU. I don't think so. They're not standing up for anything but themselves. Everything you read from Glynn was fed to him by McKee.

 

[dca319]

At least the APA has their pension and $100k signing bonus.

That's what a union gets you.

 

[cleardirect]

He is asking for more information and you disrespect him by insinuating he is ignorant, unimportant, or an ostrich? The APA will be lucky if they dodge this train wreck.

Finally. The light has dawned on you that NO ONE wants to be associated with east pilots.

But the difference this time will be that east pilots will be the minority and will not be able to do the harm you have been doing for the last 30 years. Self hostage taking will end.

Adult and reasonable leaders and decision makers will force you back to reality.

 

[cleardirect]

That's what a union gets you.

Also unity and mutual respect.

Usapa has none

 

[Phoenix]

The line pilots are still waiting for an explanation from the "our group" people. Why do we need to change the make up of a BPR that has voted unanimously, multiple times, on two different MOUs? And why are the "our group" folks opposed to the line pilots having information to vote?

What's the agenda of the "our group" pilots and how does less information help the line pilot to be an informed voter?

 

[Phoenix]

That's what a union gets you.

So the unanimous BPR got parity? Or is something like the pension giveaway going on again? Scope....?