Dec 2012 / Jan 2013 US Pilots Labor Discussion

[Black Swan]

Why did the LOA 93 grievance decision instantly take place, yet the Nicolau is not, some 7 years later Callaway?

 

[CallawayGolf]

You dodged the question. Why is the Nicolau Award not in effect now if it was a binding arbitration?

Because USAPA has not achieved the negotiation and ratification of a JCBA. Even the NMB has determined that nothing can move forward with that process until 1) USAPA closes out S22 with the NIC, 2) a court orders USAPA to use the NIC, or 3) a court grants Management immunity for accepting a non-NIC list.

 

[luvthe9]

If this first attempt fails, there is enough cause to rerun the recall because of the PICs violation of comm policy.

Yea, let's waste more money, any how the good news is the start of the recall for Hummel 🙂 🙂 !!!!!

 

[luvthe9]

I'd hold off on counting those Recall chickens just yet.

Seems to be a chicken shortage these days, Ah negative on the recall. 😛

 

[CallawayGolf]

Why did the LOA 93 grievance decision instantly take place, yet the Nicolau is not, some 7 years later Callaway?

What changed (other than USAPA's legal bills for the LOA93 grievance sinkhole) when the arbitrator made his ruling? Was USAPA responsible for issuing paychecks and had to do something different upon losing the grievance? What empirical "evidence" do you have that the LOA93 ruling is now binding on the parties in comparison to what was happening before the award was issued?

As usual you prefer to try and twist and distort facts rather than accept reality. Even under ALPA the NIC was not going to be effectuated until the JCBA became ratified. Nothing has changed in that regards so no JCBA still means the NIC will not be used for the LCC pilots until all of the conditions called for in the Transition Agreement are met. Even if a majority of east pilots and USAPA leadership were to "accept" the NIC and give up the fight against it, it would still be waiting for a JCBA. Attempting to say that the NIC is not somehow binding because it is not the current seniority system of two groups that have yet to be combined belies either an extreme ignorance or fallaciousness to you POV.

 

[luvthe9]

I see McKee has you working overtime fabricating emails.

Please tell us you happy with this MOU and fully understand it, if so explain it to all of us, you are a westie I think would be more upset than us, no vacation increase, tell us how much your health care is going to up,

 

[dca319]

Yea, let's waste more money, any how the good news is the start of the recall for Hummel 🙂 🙂 !!!!!

Just like the old ALPA days. It's come full circle.

 

[nevergiveup]

What changed (other than USAPA's legal bills for the LOA93 grievance sinkhole) when the arbitrator made his ruling? Was USAPA responsible for issuing paychecks and had to do something different upon losing the grievance? What empirical "evidence" do you have that the LOA93 ruling is now binding on the parties in comparison to what was happening before the award was issued?

As usual you prefer to try and twist and distort facts rather than accept reality. Even under ALPA the NIC was not going to be effectuated until the JCBA became ratified. Nothing has changed in that regards so no JCBA still means the NIC will not be used for the LCC pilots until all of the conditions called for in the Transition Agreement are met. Even if a majority of east pilots and USAPA leadership were to "accept" the NIC and give up the fight against it, it would still be waiting for a JCBA. Attempting to say that the NIC is not somehow binding because it is not the current seniority system of two groups that have yet to be combined belies either an extreme ignorance or fallaciousness to you POV.

tis speculative at best!

 

[dca319]

Please tell us you happy with this MOU and fully understand it, if so explain it to all of us, you are a westie I think would be more upset than us, no vacation increase, tell us how much your health care is going to up,

If you think I'm a Westie then why do you care what I think? And if you can't figure out the difference between LOA93 and this MoU then you're a waste of time Courtney.

 

[A320 Driver]

Yea, let's waste more money, any how the good news is the start of the recall for Hummel 🙂 🙂 !!!!!

You don't have the votes for that numb nutz

 

[luvthe9]

If you think I'm a Westie then why do you care what I think? And if you can't figure out the difference between LOA93 and this MoU then you're a waste of time Courtney.

Curiosity, we were screwed on LOA93 with the cram down this is the same thing all over please tell you don't think we should delay the vote till all questions are answered to everyones satisfaction, seriously.

 

[luvthe9]

You don't have the votes for that numb nutz

Must suck on resverve and giving up your Int'l override pay unless you fly, I guess that could cost a pilot up to 5,000 a year. Recalls are fun sorry you lost your CLT one.

 

[dca319]

Curiosity, we were screwed on LOA93 with the cram down this is the same thing all over please tell you don't think we should delay the vote till all questions are answered to everyones satisfaction, seriously.

Cram down? We walked away from the company a few times by choice. That was not a cram down any more than this is.

And now we have an opportunity to put LOA93 into the grave and you're perfectly content to blow it.

 

[dca319]

And your questions will never be answered until they're answered your way. Waste of time.

 

[Pi brat]

Agreed Pi. My post was very poorly constructed, and not at all intended to universally target all who've evaluated the available information and document thoroughly, and then found it acceptable. I'll submit that my incomplete and inadequate post but further demonstrates that any supposed intent, versus contained and specific language, is indeed a potential issue within any document. 😉

Agreed, especially the written word on web boards! ;-)