Dec 2012 / Jan 2013 US Pilots Labor Discussion

[nevergiveup]

The MOU does not invalidate, revoke, remove, or displace the Nic as our combined seniority list.

If usapa told you so, I sure would like to hear when, why and how they think it does.

You voted that any JCBA cannot change the lists currently in effect. What lists I ask you are currently in effect? What does it take to put nic currently in effect? You voted that possibility away. I hope your attorney didn't talk you into this.

 

[Bill Brasky]

I wouldn't do that.

I bet you wouldn't. Especially since you know you'd lose.

 

[nic4us]

Do you think if you say something one million times it will become true??? Keep posting, there is NO "combined seniority list".

Of course there is a "combined seniority list", it is called at Nicolau award and was accepted by the company CEO with a letter sent to the pilot group stating as much.

There is no joint CBA. Quite a different animal, and totally unrelated to the validity of the combined list.

 

[nevergiveup]

Of course there is a "combined seniority list", it is called at Nicolau award and was accepted by the company CEO with a letter sent to the pilot group stating as much.

There is no joint CBA. Quite a different animal, and totally unrelated to the validity of the combined list.

True, but I believe the absence of a JCBA is why the nic is not the current list in effect. Perhaps we disagree on the meaning of "in effect."

 

[nic4us]

You voted that any JCBA cannot change the lists currently in effect. What lists I ask you are currently in effect? What does it take to put nic currently in effect? You voted that possibility away. I hope your attorney didn't talk you into this.

Wrong again. The West and east migs of usapa voted 75% in favor of the MOU.

Did you go to a roadshow? Did the usapa lawyer intentionally lie to West pilots in order to get them to vote for what you now see as a backdoor attempt at blocking the Nic?

Nope! The Nic is still the only accepted system seniority list currently in effect at LCC, and the MOU does not change or invalidate that fact.


Man you folks are desperate. Every out of context splice of a sentence is fodder for your "it's not fair" campaign. How bout you just stop your whining, suck it up and realize that the Nic ain't going away before somebody really gives you something to cry about.

 

[Bill Brasky]

Of course there is a "combined seniority list", it is called at Nicolau award and was accepted by the company CEO with a letter sent to the pilot group stating as much.

There is no joint CBA. Quite a different animal, and totally unrelated to the validity of the combined list.

No. The CEO also told you that accepting the Nic was not the same as a combined seniority list. He told you that by accepting it, it just meant that it would meet the company requirements. He also said that a DOH list would work as well. In fact, he told you more than once. You just continue to make up stuff to suit your needs.

You'll find out just what seniority list USAPA is handing over soon enough. Oh, wait, the merger committee chairman already told you it would be a DOH based list.

Plus, paragraph 4 of the MOU, which will soon be an MTA, says that you gave up all previously negotiated positions. You lose!

Is that the sound of a lottery ticket getting shredded?

 

[EastUS1]

What? That you guys are largely a bunch arrogant ice-holes, and that we weren't "down" with your little yellow lanyard safety campaign to try and get your DOH land-grab? Oh, APA knows all too well what they are dealing with. Maroon.

Spin it with whatever degree of illiterate drooling you wish. Your group actively subverted their then (like it or not) union and "fellow" pilots. I'm happy for you that you're so very proud of that, and can even fantasize such behavior will be well received at any other union anywhere....unless they can clearly see your "noble ideals" for doing so, of course. 😉 On all that; I'll venture a wild guess that your personal future in union politics will be a bit less than lustrous.

 

[nevergiveup]

Wrong again. The West and east migs of usapa voted 75% in favor of the MOU.

Did you go to a roadshow? Did the usapa lawyer intentionally lie to West pilots in order to get them to vote for what you now see as a backdoor attempt at blocking the Nic?

Nope! The Nic is still the only accepted system seniority list currently in effect at LCC, and the MOU does not change or invalidate that fact.


Man you folks are desperate. Every out of context splice of a sentence is fodder for your "it's not fair" campaign. How bout you just stop your whining, suck it up and realize that the Nic ain't going away before somebody really gives you something to cry about.

1017/24 = 42.375 to 1. My mistake. Please realize that these are the PHX results and not the entire voting group.

 

[dca319]

I bet you wouldn't. Especially since you know you'd lose.

It would be nice to hear our union's plan B if Nicolau isn't dead

 

[traderjake]

 

[Bill Brasky]

It would be nice to hear our union's plan B if Nicolau isn't dead

Then start listening. The Merger Committee Chairman sent out a letter before the MOU vote that spelled it out. I guess you ignored it.

 

[traderjake]

This merger is looking better all the time.

 

[dca319]

Then start listening. The Merger Committee Chairman sent out a letter before the MOU vote that spelled it out. I guess you ignored it.

They did nothing of the sort. They're once again in a DOH only mindset.

 

[nevergiveup]

They did nothing of the sort. They're once again in a DOH only mindset.

A - The MOU is neutral with respect to the Nicolau Award and with respect to the seniority dispute between the former America West pilots and the former US Airways pilots. Ratification of the MOU does not make the Nicolau Award effective. East pilots should not vote against the MOU because they fear that it will make the Nicolau Award effective and West pilots should not vote for the MOU because of any belief that ratification makes the Nicolau Award effective.

 

[767one]

There's going to be LOTS of movement on this next bid, assuming the merger moves forward (should know one way or the other this week). There's a "boatload" of senior F/O's sitting on the 76 & 330 for QOL benefits, you can bet they will "re-think" their bids looking at a $50,000 pay raise going back to the 320 as a junior CAP. I imagine the same thing will be happening out West with the 75 & the 320.

Just staying where I am will net me a $25,000 "Retro/Signing Bonus" check this Summer. But don't worry about me, I'll try to "bear up" to it.


seajay

Seajay,

I guess it is best that I retired because with the new bid I would have been just as "stagnent" as I have been for the last 10 years! Guess I'll just have a beer or two and get over it. Retirement is great! I can actually start and finish a project in the same week vs the same year when working.

All the best,

Bob