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[dapoes]

Are you that pompous that information provided to you that proves your wrong and you cant accept it?

I worked in closed shops all my life, you can become a non-member dues objector (upheld and interpreted by the Supreme Court), that is the law of the land.

Accept your wrong and you dont post any facts to back up your misinformation.

A labor contract is a contract, period.

Beck vs CWA, go look it up.

First of all you cant be a non-member dues objector until your hired, pass your probationary period then you can declare dues objector status. You dont become a union member until after your hired and complete probationary period.

Like I said, dont let the facts get in your way.

Waiting your next ad homenim attack.

I know for a fact that you will not be able to gain employment in the radio and entertainment industry as a non-member dues objector. Regardless what laws are on the books. Its been like that for decades and still is.

Your out of your league here son. Go back to your amateur hour.

 

[ThirdSeatHero]

Well this should prove interesting....

A late 2009 article about the Screen Actors Guild ( wasn't Reagan President? ), and their troubles with "fee-paying non-members"....

SAG-Fi Core

A few of the more interesting quotes...

Members who go "fi-core" resign their SAG membership and withhold the dues spent by SAG on political activities but can still work on union jobs.

Despite SAG's efforts, a total of nearly 2,000 actors have filed for financial core status, according to SAG's most recent filing with the federal government.

SAG's most recent filing with the U.S. Dept. of Labor for the fiscal year ended April 30 disclosed that there were 1,894 "agency fee-payers" along with 128,187 active members.

Members who do go fi-core officially become "Fee Paying Non-Members," according to SAG's web site.

And just incase there are still any naysayers hanging on...heres SAGs own website.

SAG


Well now, lets see who has integrity and who doesn't.

 

[700UW]

Great post Third Seat!

I wonder how the crow that dapoes is eating tastes!!!!

Lets see her spin this one, I guess she was looking in the mirror when she posted amateur hour, lol!

 

[dapoes]

Great post Third Seat!

I wonder how the crow that dapoes is eating tastes!!!!

Lets see her spin this one, I guess she was looking in the mirror when she posted amateur hour, lol!

You are still out of your league son. And obviously you didn't read the full article either.

From SAG own website:

Fi-Core/FPNM are viewed as scabs or anti-union by SAG members, directors, and writers—most of whom also belong to entertainment unions.

So can you refuse to pay/join? Yes of course. Will you be able to get work? Nope. Why? Read the line above. You know exactly why they wont get work.

I've known many people in the entertainment industry for years, so what you think you know....you are ignorant of.

You may be somewhat of hack union so called expert in the airline industry but in the entertainment industry you are clueless as ever.

 

[700UW]

And this is about airline unions, not Hollywood, take it to the water cooler, we all know your not a FA as you say.

Great to see you calling names again, real mature.

 

[dapoes]

And this is about airline unions, not Hollywood, take it to the water cooler, we all know your not a FA as you say.

Great to see you calling names again, real mature.

You are the one brought up Rush and Reagan. I merely corrected you on your lies. You are very much welcome son.

And we all know you aren't al real union expert. Run along now.

 

[LukeAisleWalker]

My link

 

[Bear96]

You can be a worker at a unionized closed shop and be a dues objector non-member.

Closed shops have been illegal for nearly 65 years now, since the Labor Management Relations Act was passed in 1947.

It is surprising that such a self-professed expert in labor law would not know this.

(Perhaps you mean agency or union shop?)

 

[700UW]

Closed shops are legal under the Railway Labor Act, so if your in Airlines and Railroads you can have a union security clause and its legal.

Taft-Hartley, which covers under the NLRA, not the RLA.

So Mr Legal expert, explain how every airline that is unionized are closed shops with a union security clause if its illegal?

 

[Bear96]

Closed shops are legal under the Railway Labor Act, so if your in Airlines and Railroads you can have a union security clause and its legal.

Taft-Hartley, which covers under the NLRA, not the RLA.

So Mr Legal expert, explain how every airline that is unionized are closed shops with a union security clause if its illegal?

Yes you are right about the RLA but the conversation had gone well beyond that (i.e., to the entertainment industry).

 

[700UW]

You can have a closed shop under NLRA then they use Beck to be an objector. But must shops under the NLRA are open.

 

[dapoes]

You can have a closed shop under NLRA then they use Beck to be an objector. But must shops under the NLRA are open.

Except for the entertainment and radio industry. Wrong again as usual.

 

[Bear96]

700UW, I think you are misunderstanding what a "closed shop" is.

Closed shop means you must be a union member AS A CONDITION OF BEING HIRED. In other words, you had to join a union BEFORE becoming employed. That was made unlawful under the NLRA by the LMRA. It was also effectively made unlawful under the RLA with the amendments to the RLA in (I think) 1951.

Now the most an employer and a union can agree to is to require union membership, or at least fee paying, within a certain period of time AFTER becoming employed (except in a right-to-work state under the NLRA). See NLRA Section 8(a)(3) (30 days, except seven days in the construction industry, Section 8(f)(2)); RLA Section 2(Eleventh)(a) (60 days). That is an agency or union shop, not a closed shop.

 

[dapoes]

My link

I think this is more relevant.

How Reagan #### slapped the union insolent self entitled little brats.

Reagan demanded those remaining on strike return to work within 48 hours, otherwise their jobs would be forfeited. At the same time Transportation Secretary Drew Lewis organized for replacements and started contingency plans.

On August 5, following the PATCO workers' refusal to return to work, Reagan fired the 11,345 striking air traffic controllers who had ignored the order, and banned them from federal service for life.

Gotta love Reagan for taking a stand and keeping the unions in their subservient place.

 

[dapoes]

700UW, I think you are misunderstanding what a "closed shop" is.

Closed shop means you must be a union member AS A CONDITION OF BEING HIRED. In other words, you had to join a union BEFORE becoming employed. That was made unlawful under the NLRA by the LMRA. It was also effectively made unlawful under the RLA with the amendments to the RLA in (I think) 1951.

Now the most an employer and a union can agree to is to require union membership, or at least fee paying, within a certain period of time AFTER becoming employed (except in a right-to-work state under the NLRA). See NLRA Section 8(a)(3) (30 days, except seven days in the construction industry, Section 8(f)(2)); RLA Section 2(Eleventh)(a) (60 days). That is an agency or union shop, not a closed shop.

He misunderstands a lot. Its a habit with him.