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[john john]

Oh were oh were did the blind eye go????

 

[700UW]

Trying to get in touch with Rush, Beck, or Hannity to get talking points.

 

[dapoes]

Trying to get in touch with Rush, Beck, or Hannity to get talking points.

So says the queen of talking points?

 

[dapoes]

Is that it? Attack to deflect?

Even the most casual of observers to the thread cans see I made no claims of authority, and your increasingly juvenile attempts at retort serve only to emphasize my point.

You may call me any name you wish, it wont change that you are wrong and simply lack the character to admit it

I'm sorry you are so thin skinned when called on the carpet for your apparent lack of knowledge with the subject at hand. But that's your character defect, not mine.

In your thirty second google search you somehow deemed yourself authoritative on the unions and the entertainment industry? In such you then conclude that said industries are primarily composed of "A List" talent as you listed by name. If you had any clue what you were talking about you would know that such talent composes a small percentage of the thousands of people in such industries. People that work in the background like painters, grips, electricians, camera operators, sound techs, stylists, etc.

You also are ignorant of the fact that for these other 99.99% of workers in the industry don't get the same elite treatment like the very small percentage of the A list talent. You see, in real life once you become a major talent, normal rules no longer apply to you. You have the freedom to disregard them and even make your own. That's how the real world works. It still doesn't change the fact that before they were A List talent, they had to belong to a union in order to get work. Your links to the sag site even stated in no uncertain terms that if you didn't you would be considerd a scab and good luck finding work. You do know that are lists kept don't you? No of course not.

How do I know first hand? Because at an early point in life I actually worked in talent and staffing agencies in the entertainment industry and saw first hand how union membership was forced as a requirement to being hired. Even some a list talent now days were struggling artists back then that I worked with, and the had no choice back then. And for the other 99.99% who's career is composed of work that will never get them to the elite a list community, they have choice either.

 

[ThirdSeatHero]

I'm sorry you are so thin skinned when called on the carpet for your apparent lack of knowledge with the subject at hand. But that's your character defect, not mine.

In your thirty second google search you somehow deemed yourself authoritative on the unions and the entertainment industry? In such you then conclude that said industries are primarily composed of "A List" talent as you listed by name. If you had any clue what you were talking about you would know that such talent composes a small percentage of the thousands of people in such industries. People that work in the background like painters, grips, electricians, camera operators, sound techs, stylists, etc.

You also are ignorant of the fact that for these other 99.99% of workers in the industry don't get the same elite treatment like the very small percentage of the A list talent. You see, in real life once you become a major talent, normal rules no longer apply to you. You have the freedom to disregard them and even make your own. That's how the real world works. It still doesn't change the fact that before they were A List talent, they had to belong to a union in order to get work. Your links to the sag site even stated in no uncertain terms that if you didn't you would be considerd a scab and good luck finding work. You do know that are lists kept don't you? No of course not.

How do I know first hand? Because at an early point in life I actually worked in talent and staffing agencies in the entertainment industry and saw first hand how union membership was forced as a requirement to being hired. Even some a list talent now days were struggling artists back then that I worked with, and the had no choice back then. And for the other 99.99% who's career is composed of work that will never get them to the elite a list community, they have choice either.

Thank you for yet again proving my point.

Launch with an attack and attempt to deflect, so with your childish intro out of the way lets move on to yet another of your pathetic attempts to change your story.

The following are quotes of yours before I made a single post in this thread (emphasis added)

You will not get work as an actor unless you belong to a union.
You will not get work on radio unless you belong to a union.

Can you be a dues objector? Yes. But you will never be hired for any work. Ever.
They have a had lockout in the industry for decades.

Guess you really have no idea how it works in the entertainment industry. If you do not belong to one of the unions associated with said industry, you will not get work. Regardless of any supreme court law that is on the books. Its been like that for decades.

You seem to think you are an expert on union contracts yet know nothing about examples you brought up. You know dam well that if a an industry has a forced union membership (aka closed shop) per their contract, then no one can be hired as a non paying dues objector. End of story.

I know for a fact that you will not be able to gain employment in the radio and entertainment industry as a non-member dues objector. Regardless what laws are on the books. Its been like that for decades and still is.

In each of these posts you are clearly making statements that are absolute "NO ONE CAN BE HIRED" you claim this is "FACT". They are all of course in fact false and I made my first post in this thread to simply illustrate that point.

Ignoring the obvious fact that your previous statements concerning non-paying members were false, did you make any attempt to clarify your position? No. You continued to press your position with grade school insults and vague claims of "REAL LIFE" stories none of which changes or refutes the fact that you were and are still wrong.

Now on to your latest missive. Low and behold you up and change your story, now you do admit that non-paying members CAN GET WORK. However, rather than simply admitting your inaccurate statements and then clarifying, once again you flaunt your obvious lack of character by trying to assign to me arguments I never made, in yet another of your pathetic attempts to save face,

I made no claim at being an authority

I made no claim that the industries were primarily composed of "A" list talent.

I made no claim as to the percentage the non-payers constitute in the industries ( oh your 99.99% is wrong, yes I checked but I'm reasonably sure you already knew that)

I made no claim that early in their respective careers "A" listers might have been compelled to join a union


I have and continue to refute your initial position which is most clearly illustrated in the posts above and this reply of yours to a post from 700UW

Like I said, go educate yourself, if it is a closed shop, you become a non-member, dues objector, and only pay whats germane to the CBA.

And once again, you attack and insult, instead of actually debating.

I know very well that you will not be able to do that in the Film and Radio industry. You cannot be a non-member, dues objector and expect to get work. You research it now and stop your blatant transparent lies.

Belabor the point all you wish Dapoes, you are wrong, and you're certainly not fooling anyone on this board

 

[dapoes]

I made no claim at being an authority

Yes that is obvious. You just like to hear yourself talk no matter how ignorant you are of the facts at hand. But please don't let me stop you. It's quite entertaining watching a thirdseatzero make a firstseatfool of himself.

 

[southwind]

So what nmb rule change are we waiting on now, to benefit the union, since the last one didn't work out so well ?

Let me guess.......Card Check ?

 

[southwind]

Must have hit a nerve !

 

[tech2101]

Thank you for yet again proving my point.

Launch with an attack and attempt to deflect, so with your childish intro out of the way lets move on to yet another of your pathetic attempts to change your story.

The following are quotes of yours before I made a single post in this thread (emphasis added)









In each of these posts you are clearly making statements that are absolute "NO ONE CAN BE HIRED" you claim this is "FACT". They are all of course in fact false and I made my first post in this thread to simply illustrate that point.

Ignoring the obvious fact that your previous statements concerning non-paying members were false, did you make any attempt to clarify your position? No. You continued to press your position with grade school insults and vague claims of "REAL LIFE" stories none of which changes or refutes the fact that you were and are still wrong.

Now on to your latest missive. Low and behold you up and change your story, now you do admit that non-paying members CAN GET WORK. However, rather than simply admitting your inaccurate statements and then clarifying, once again you flaunt your obvious lack of character by trying to assign to me arguments I never made, in yet another of your pathetic attempts to save face,

I made no claim at being an authority

I made no claim that the industries were primarily composed of "A" list talent.

I made no claim as to the percentage the non-payers constitute in the industries ( oh your 99.99% is wrong, yes I checked but I'm reasonably sure you already knew that)

I made no claim that early in their respective careers "A" listers might have been compelled to join a union


I have and continue to refute your initial position which is most clearly illustrated in the posts above and this reply of yours to a post from 700UW





Belabor the point all you wish Dapoes, you are wrong, and you're certainly not fooling anyone on this board

Give it up TSH.

The ignored one is completely irrelevant. Debating this one is like debating an 8 track tape with 7 channels inop...

 

[dapoes]

Give it up TSH.

The ignored one is completely irrelevant. Debating this one is like debating an 8 track tape with 7 channels inop...

So says the irrelevant wannabe Perry Mason. Having an Einstein avatar doesn't make you look any smarter then you are not.

 

[ThirdSeatHero]

Give it up TSH.

The ignored one is completely irrelevant. Debating this one is like debating an 8 track tape with 7 channels inop...

Agreed.

Its become rather clear that she is incapable of holding any sort of coherent position in an argument/debate when facts are presented to disprove her inane assertions. Her willingness to debase any position she might have by launching into juvenile attacks on screen names and avatars speaks volumes.

 

[dapoes]

Agreed.

Its become rather clear that she is incapable of holding any sort of coherent position in an argument/debate when facts are presented to disprove her inane assertions. Her willingness to debase any position she might have by launching into juvenile attacks on screen names and avatars speaks volumes.

Thats what happens to people who shoot off their mouth without being an authority on the subject. You get shut down. If you tried that same kind of tactic in an actual debate you would look like like an idiot. Cause and effect son.

 

[ThirdSeatHero]

Thats what happens to people who shoot off their mouth without being an authority on the subject. You get shut down. If you tried that same kind of tactic in an actual debate you would look like like an idiot. Cause and effect son.

Interesting premise considering you were the one proven wrong.

 

[dapoes]

Interesting premise considering you were the one proven wrong.

You had no proof. Remember your own admission that you are no authority on the subject? If you want to continue this dance knock yourself out. Provide more of your non authority bs. LOL

 

[ThirdSeatHero]

You had no proof. Remember your own admission that you are no authority on the subject? If you want to continue this dance knock yourself out. Provide more of your non authority bs. LOL

I have no need to be an authority to comment intelligently on a subject, or to provide reference for my position.

You made a statement and I proved that statement false. The links are here on this thread.

You're continued attempts to argue this into absurdity are truly laughable.