Delta Labor Relations thread.

[Kev3188]

I'm not arguing anything; in fact, if you've been paying attention, you know I'm neither a fan of pensions or malfeasance. I simply used your flawed logic to show where you were wrong.

 

[townpete]

I'm not arguing anything; in fact, if you've been paying attention, you know I'm neither a fan of pensions or malfeasance. I simply used your flawed logic to show where you were wrong.

 
What was I wrong about?

 

[Kev3188]

Why do you ask questions you already know the answers to?

 

[townpete]

Why do you ask questions you already know the answers to?

 
You're saying I was wrong about something. What specifically? IAM?

 

[Glenn Quagmire]

 
So you're comparing a lone DAL employee to all these high level people at IAM? 
 
People like Robert Roach, Warren Mart, Burton Trebour, Alfred Nelson, Lynn Tucker, Philip Gruber, Gary Allen, Robert Martinez Jr., and Thomas Connery?
 
lol

I normally stay out of these discussions, but here I go.

I have to agree here. These are the highest level IAM cronies who have been charged.

I will give them the benefit of innocent until proven guilty, however, I have never been a fan of Roach and Co. I have actually met the guy in person and was less than impressed then. To know that he was given fiduciary authority over a huge pension fund is scary and inexplicable.

As the old saying goes, "The fish rots from the head."

There is no "lol" in this at all.

I would add that this is germane to the discussion here as it goes to the leadership competence of the IAMAW national. I know that locals retain some autonomy, but they are hamstrung by idiots like Roach.

That is why we showed them the door. I would never support an IAM drive after having been represented by them for longer than I want to remember.

Them, in association with the TWU airline division is a combination of the worst in union representation.

After saying all that, I still support collective bargaining and it should never be taken away from the workforce.

 

[townpete]

I have to agree here. These are the highest level IAM cronies who have been charged.

I will give them the benefit of innocent until proven guilty, however, I have never been a fan of Roach and Co. I have actually met the guy in person and was less than impressed then. To know that he was given fiduciary authority over a huge pension fund is scary and inexplicable.

As the old saying goes, "The fish rots from the head."

There is no "lol" in this at all.

 
No you are correct. Its not funny.
 
I was laughing at the moral comparison Kev was making between one DAL low level employee and nine senior IAM officials.

 

[Kev3188]

I normally stay out of these discussions, but here I go.

I have to agree here. These are the highest level IAM cronies who have been charged.

I will give them the benefit of innocent until proven guilty, however, I have never been a fan of Roach and Co. I have actually met the guy in person and was less than impressed then. To know that he was given fiduciary authority over a huge pension fund is scary and inexplicable.

As the old saying goes, "The fish rots from the head."

There is no "lol" in this at all.

I would add that this is germane to the discussion here as it goes to the leadership competence of the IAMAW national. I know that locals retain some autonomy, but they are hamstrung by idiots like Roach.

That is why we showed them the door. I would never support an IAM drive after having been represented by them for longer than I want to remember.

Them, in association with the TWU airline division is a combination of the worst in union representation.

After saying all that, I still support collective bargaining and it should never be taken away from the workforce.

I don't disagree with any of that. What I will continue to argue against is TownPete's assertion that the entire organization is "corrupt." That's 10's of 1000's of people.

The actions of one (or a few) rarely reflect the actions of the whole. I simply used an equally absurd example to make my point.

 

[townpete]

I don't disagree with any of that. What I will continue to argue against is TownPete's assertion that the entire organization is "corrupt." That's 10's of 1000's of people.

The actions of one (or a few) rarely reflect the actions of the whole. I simply used an equally absurd example to make my point.

 
And when that corruption comes from the senior top officials? Add that to all the other cases of corruption?
 
Tell me Kev, how does that compare to the bag handler at DAL? How much influence did he have?
 
How much influence did he hold in comparison to the 9 senior officials at IAM?
 
At least Glenn made the obvious conclusion. I know him and I don't agree on much, but kudos to him for at least being intellectually honest.

 

[Kev3188]

Wasnt me that painted 1000's and 1000's of people with the same broad brush...

And let's also remember, like 'em or not; these people are still afforded due process.


...Or is that another right you're eager to toss aside?

 

[robbedagain]

CUTS   cuts   cuts   apparently DL knows cuts all too well and those poor folks in CVG just seems not to catch a break at all    At the rate DL is slicing CVG its more of slicing them than US did to PIT years ago     Why is DL not letting them go to any other stations     Is DL offering severance packages to all the affected folks?    Good luck to those affected  

 

[townpete]

Wasnt me that painted 1000's and 1000's of people with the same broad brush...

And let's also remember, like 'em or not; these people are still afforded due process.


...Or is that another right you're eager to toss aside?

 
Yeah you do Kev, remember all gun owners as redneck ammosexual's? 
 
Funny how you wont rush to judgement on this, but rush to pound the keys anything that paints DAL in a bad light. To be met with the inevitable over used phrase of yours "doesn't surprise me".

 

[Kev3188]

Never lumped all gun owners together. If you can find a post that says that, by all means post it here.

And I never "rush" to do anything of the sort about DL; you've just convinced yourself that I do.

What's that inevitable over used phrase of yours? Something about being a hammer?

 

[Glenn Quagmire]

Yeah you do Kev, remember all gun owners as redneck ammosexual's?

Wrong thread. Try again. Just because I agreed with you on one point will not give you license to carry on your abhorrent behavior.

 

[townpete]

Never lumped all gun owners together. If you can find a post that says that, by all means post it here.

And I never "rush" to do anything of the sort about DL; you've just convinced yourself that I do.

What's that inevitable over used phrase of yours? Something about being a hammer?

 
touché 

 

[southwind]

Wrong thread. Try again. Just because I agreed with you on one point will not give you license to carry on your abhorrent behavior.

And just because you don't like what someone says and your only comeback is "Wrong Thread" time after time, doesn't entitle you to consider yourself a moderator but, here you are!