Delta Labor Relations thread.

[topDawg]

 
A union isn't going to save them from a bleeding operation at CVG.
 
Quit blowing smoke.

do you even know what you are talking about? this has nothing to do with flight operations currently. 
I would also love to see you justify closing of SLC, MEM and now CVG cargo when the airline is making billions a year. 
 
Oh wait, long as you get yours who cares right? long as you have a job, pay check, etc. who cares if co-works now get to live under a bridge with their families. 
 

 
Another of of your lies, myths and falsehoods.

no it isn't. google the term scope
We know you don't understand what scope means because you get to live under DALPAs scope..... 
 
but you may wanna learn it in case the old, outsource our international FAs play book gets dusted off to get out of paying so much in taxes(and even then, I am sure as long as you keep your job who cares about the people junior to you.) 
 

 
 
Unless I'm missing something, doesn't it seems kind of strange to not allow these folks to transfer to ATL - IF they are hiring there?

ATL is also over staffed. 
 

Sometimes the exercise in seniority (and ripple effects) make a reduction in force more costly than keeping a workforce in place/intact.

TownPete's correct in that a union does not control business decisions like flight activity, but is inaccurate in asserting that being represented doesn't mitigate the impact of said moves.

it also gives a clear policy of what is going to happen. 
 

When DL downsized MEM, those employees were allowed to go anywhere on the system with an opening. That's not happening this time around. Why the inconsistency?

Because
 
profit sharing 
 

 
So you're comparing a lone DAL employee to all these high level people at IAM? 
 
People like Robert Roach, Warren Mart, Burton Trebour, Alfred Nelson, Lynn Tucker, Philip Gruber, Gary Allen, Robert Martinez Jr., and Thomas Connery?
 
lol

You never answered my question. 
Do you want me to start tossing out names of DL management that was just as terrible and put the company in BK? 
 

CUTS   cuts   cuts   apparently DL knows cuts all too well and those poor folks in CVG just seems not to catch a break at all    At the rate DL is slicing CVG its more of slicing them than US did to PIT years ago     Why is DL not letting them go to any other stations     Is DL offering severance packages to all the affected folks?    Good luck to those affected  

FWIW this isn't a draw down in flying. 
 
CVG has been overstaffed for a while. I have no problem with the ramp reductions. It happens. 
 
but shutting down cargo just because is disappointing. Can't want for pete's justification 

 

[townpete]

do you even know what you are talking about? this has nothing to do with flight operations currently. 
I would also love to see you justify closing of SLC, MEM and now CVG cargo when the airline is making billions a year. 
 
Oh wait, long as you get yours who cares right? long as you have a job, pay check, etc. who cares if co-works now get to live under a bridge with their families. 
 

no it isn't. google the term scope
We know you don't understand what scope means because you get to live under DALPAs scope..... 
 
but you may wanna learn it in case the old, outsource our international FAs play book gets dusted off to get out of paying so much in taxes(and even then, I am sure as long as you keep your job who cares about the people junior to you.) 
 

ATL is also over staffed. 
 

it also gives a clear policy of what is going to happen. 
 

Because
 
profit sharing 
 

You never answered my question. 
Do you want me to start tossing out names of DL management that was just as terrible and put the company in BK? 
 

FWIW this isn't a draw down in flying. 
 
CVG has been overstaffed for a while. I have no problem with the ramp reductions. It happens. 
 
but shutting down cargo just because is disappointing. Can't want for pete's justification

If it's bleeding $$$ then it doesn't make sense to keep it open. Do you like wasting your hard $$$?

Didn't think so.

It is what it is.

 

[Kev3188]

You didn't read what he wrote, did you?

 

[jimntx]

I'm just pointing out how our resident IAM pimp wants to blame big business for the fall of the Middle class, when in reality it's big Government who's to blame!

Not that the facts will matter to you since your mind is made up, but the President does not generate governmental income by raising taxes.  Under the Constitution of the United States, ALL revenue bills are generated in the U.S. House of Representatives which has been majority Republican for most, if not all, of Obama's tenure in the White House.  Revenue bills (aka, tax bills) can not be initiated even in the U.S. Senate.  However, revenue bills must gain the support of a majority of the Senate which has also been majority Republican for most of Obama's presidency.  All Obama gets to do is approve them or veto them.

 

[jimntx]

What If this, what if that...

If unions are all unicorns and rainbows then why the dwindling numbers? If the people at DAL wanted a union they would have chosen one already.

Perhaps they need to rethink how they approach opposition rather then to lie, insult and spit on. They have a major PR problem that hasn't gone away. In fact it's gotten worse after their card fraud campaigns. First at Boeing then at DAL.

Union membership is dwindling because corporations are now allowed to ship manufacturing jobs overseas where the labor force is paid next to nothing.  Union membership is not dwindling in the airline business where the work has to be done in the U.S.--such as flight attendants, pilots, and mechanics to keep the a/c working and in the air.

 

[townpete]

You didn't read what he wrote, did you?

 
I read it, typical drival.
 
 

Union membership is dwindling because corporations are now allowed to ship manufacturing jobs overseas where the labor force is paid next to nothing.  Union membership is not dwindling in the airline business where the work has to be done in the U.S.--such as flight attendants, pilots, and mechanics to keep the a/c working and in the air.

 
Nice story.

 

[jimntx]

I'm not talking about Unions. The subject here has already been beaten to death. I'm talking about an "enforceable employment contract" Something you don't have and a subject you continue to avoid.

You're like a contractor that does work on a house without having the owner sign on the dotted line before he gets paid. Actually I'm wrong. You're like a contractor that was forced to sign an agreement to work on my house that legally (Right to work) I can refuse to pay and throw you out any time I feel like it. And if you left your tools behind I can keep them if I want. And there's nothing you can do about it. I can Jip you and rip you off anytime I want. As easy as I want.

"Employment Contract"

Do you posses the ability to talk about that? Don't you wish you had one of them?

You know, not one of those executives that seem to be trusted implicitly would even consider working for Delta without an employment contract.  One that will pay them large sums of money even if they are terminated for doing a poor job.

 

[Kev3188]

I read it, typical drival.

So he agreed with you, and you call it drivel? That's telling...

 

[townpete]

So he agreed with you, and you call it drivel? That's telling...

I don't see where he agreed at all. You must be confused?

 

[Kev3188]

Nope. Not at all. Right in line with what you posted, and yet he's writing "drivel." Strange...

 

[southwind]

Not that the facts will matter to you since your mind is made up, but the President does not generate governmental income by raising taxes.  Under the Constitution of the United States, ALL revenue bills are generated in the U.S. House of Representatives which has been majority Republican for most, if not all, of Obama's tenure in the White House.  Revenue bills (aka, tax bills) can not be initiated even in the U.S. Senate.  However, revenue bills must gain the support of a majority of the Senate which has also been majority Republican for most of Obama's presidency.  All Obama gets to do is approve them or veto them.

And I've yet to hear just one Obamanite to accept that he's part of the problem, not the solution!

 

[topDawg]

If it's bleeding $$$ then it doesn't make sense to keep it open. Do you like wasting your hard $$$?
Didn't think so.
It is what it is.

  
Wtf are you talking about? Did you even read the memo? Where exactly did the company say "it's bleeding $$$"
As a matter of fact the last time the company was asked about CVG they said the operation was profitable. That is always why capacity has stayed pretty flat this year

Again I will ask, please justify the outsourcing of cargo in SLC,MEM and CVG when the company is doing anything but "bleeding"?

You didn't read what he wrote, did you?

  

Clearly she is just going off the typical talking points, which is funny because she says that all you and 700 do.
Also clearly doesn't understand how scope works. Must be nice to leach off of DALPA so much.

I read it, typical drival.
 
 


 
Nice story.

seriously question if you can read at all

 

[townpete]

Nope. Not at all. Right in line with what you posted, and yet he's writing "drivel." Strange...

 
Baiting again hey Kev?
 
Seems to be par for the course when you have nothing really thoughtful to say.

 

[Kev3188]

The dude agrees with you, and you go out of your way to try and prove him wrong... Strange...

 

[Kev3188]

  
Wtf are you talking about? Did you even read the memo? Where exactly did the company say "it's bleeding $$$"
As a matter of fact the last time the company was asked about CVG they said the operation was profitable. That is always why capacity has stayed pretty flat this year

Again I will ask, please justify the outsourcing of cargo in SLC,MEM and CVG when the company is doing anything but "bleeding"?

  

Clearly she is just going off the typical talking points, which is funny because she says that all you and 700 do.
Also clearly doesn't understand how scope works. Must be nice to leach off of DALPA so much.


seriously question if you can read at all

Indeed.

So in the last 30 days, we have the outsourcing of mail handling in ATL to DGS, and now this. All in the shadow of unprecedented profits. I hate to think of what's next.