Delta Mechanic Wages.......

[Raizin_Cain]

Just heard our wages will be compared to MRO's , not other airlines. So if this is the case shouldn't we be charging Delta Airlines to work on their aircraft. Who are they going to compare F/A's, bag-handlers and ramp worker wages to. Last time I checked their were no MRO's performing any of these duty's ! Sounds just like another way to screw over our profession even more.

 

[local 12 proud]

Just heard our wages will be compared to MRO's , not other airlines. So if this is the case shouldn't we be charging Delta Airlines to work on their aircraft. Who are they going to compare F/A's, bag-handlers and ramp worker wages to. Last time I checked their were no MRO's performing any of these duty's ! Sounds just like another way to screw over our profession even more.

[post="303514"][/post]​

guess all those years of "WE DON'T NEED A UNION" will finally pay off huh?

 

[pitguy]

It does not appear to me that the unions have had much effect on this race to the bottom in the airline industry. While I am neither anti-union nor pro-union I do believe every one has a right to be treated fair (which is not happening). I think these Delta mechanics may fare just as well as the union guys if not better. Time will tell, but I have not seen where any one but AMFA is fighting for its membership.

 

[TheDog2004]

I'm really sick of these union posts on the Delta board. Being in a union hasn't helped the other employees' whose companies are in chapter 11 one bit. It is disengenuous to suggest it would be anything otherwise were Delta employees unionized.

Now suggesting they unionize once Delta emerges would be an interesting discussion and quite frankly, more relevant.

 

[WorldTraveler]

The option appears to be to have most maintenance work outsourced and lose the jobs completely or to pay airline employees contractor wages.

It is possible that DL is planning to not terminate the pensions - which is more politically expedient - but that requires cutting current pay deeper. The pensions will be frozen, however, as part of pension reform.

 

[Fly]

Next time you talk to your Republican co-workers ask them "How's this working out for you?". All the airlines are trying this simply because this administration allows it.

 

[Bob Owens]

guess all those years of "WE DON'T NEED A UNION" will finally pay off huh?

[post="303537"][/post]​

What are AAs OSM wages based on?

On the AA thread the question asked is "Are AA unions to blame?"

The answer is "YES" the company union at AA introduced MRO wages into overhaul with the introduction of SRPs back in 1995. Expansion and attrition during that period allowed the company to displace higher paid mechanics out of the shops and replace them with the new lower paid workers without laying anyone off. Current conditions dictate that other airlines match AAs lower costs but since there is little to no expansion the only way they can do that is to cut the wages of current employees or send the work out.

 

[local 12 proud]

What are AAs OSM wages based on?

On the AA thread the question asked is "Are AA unions to blame?"

The answer is "YES" the company union at AA introduced MRO wages into overhaul with the introduction of SRPs back in 1995. Expansion and attrition during that period allowed the company to displace higher paid mechanics out of the shops and replace them with the new lower paid workers without laying anyone off. Current conditions dictate that other airlines match AAs lower costs but since there is little to no expansion the only way they can do that is to cut the wages of current employees or send the work out.

[post="303929"][/post]​

So do you think delta AMTs will do better without representation? I was'nt implying that the TWU would protect wages, we already know this to be fact!

 

[operaations]

why dont the union people leave the people at Delta alone. They chose to not have a union and they are ion the same boat as people with unions. So it seems to me that they do not pay dues and are in the same boat as the Unios represented people at US UA NW and others. leave them alone

 

[Fly]

Actually, they may be worse off. They will get NO say in their paycuts. Delta can implement any cuts they deem necessary and there isn't a thing these people can do about it. Will that happen? Who knows.

 

[FWAAA]

Actually, they may be worse off. They will get NO say in their paycuts. Delta can implement any cuts they deem necessary and there isn't a thing these people can do about it. Will that happen? Who knows.

[post="304085"][/post]​

We've discussed this before, but exactly how has the experience at UAL or USAir been any different? The only FAs to say "no" so far are the FAs at CO.

 

[WorldTraveler]

And Fly,
Tell us what the two paycuts you took amounted to. And also tell us what percentage of your salary you contribute to support a union machine. Then we'll be able to determine whether DL or UA F/As fared better. And, am I right that DL F/As made more than UA's F/As before 9/11?

 

[Fly]

Ok, I'll admit, I had no idea how much I made until about a month ago. Never paid attention, but it was painful to my flying partners, so it must have been substantial. (I fly because it is fun, no other reason) My point is this, Delta can impose ANYTHING they want and it will happen swiftly. I guess it is just the fear of the unknown to me. If UAL and US imposed the rates they have, why wouldn't Delta want to lower the bar more?


Union dues $39 per month. I can give one VERY important reason to have a union right now. This is about to be the Age of Consolidation. Almost makes me wish we'd merge with Delta, I'd be super senior once we finished stapling them.

 

[TheDog2004]

Fly,

How has being in a union helped those whose companies are in chapter 11? IIRC the companies have simply told the unions to take the offer or they go to the judge. The only union that has not capitulated is AMFA, and now they are all out of work.

Please argue the point using evidence to back up the claim. Otherwise, you are just trying to stir the pot.

And I'm also sick of the implication that the party in office somehow matters in this case. It doesn't. Again, no evidence has been presented to back up this claim.

 

[aislehopper]

  Almost makes me wish we'd merge with Delta, I'd be super senior once we finished stapling them.

[post="304097"][/post]​

Seniority integration has more to do with who is he surviving company rather than union status as demonstrated by AA's last two acquisitions.