Delta pilots authorize strike

[Winglet]

The phrase "Pound Sand" comes to mind. This is another chapter in the union-busting manual . . . tearful letters from other employee groups. I wonder if this "employee" (probably written by management)has written letters to management about their incompetence and bonus' and payouts.

 

[careerfurloughee]

The phrase "Pound Sand" comes to mind. This is another chapter in the union-busting manual . . . tearful letters from other employee groups. I wonder if this "employee" (probably written by management)has written letters to management about their incompetence and bonus' and payouts.

I was wondering the exact same thing. I also wonder why with that background in business this poster isn't in a management job. I hear they make more than 30k a year and are still getting raises.

 

[Vikedog64]

If you have a degree in accounting go and find another job! The pilots should not held hostage because many others have CHOSEN not get educated or look for other opportunities. You know what the airline industry has been like and if you have put the fact that you like your job and flying over the welfare of your family that is not their fault. If you think you can guilt these pilots into taking pay cuts you are wrong. The company has to meet them with realistic goals. If you think these pilots have put away money to support their families during a possible liquidation. You're right. Its take foresight and integrity to prep for such a sad situation. These pilots have spent many years earning their education and carry the lives of your elite flyers as well as your family and deserve to be treated better. Your pax are more worried about getting from pt A to pt B so they can handle their business and make their money. If they are so concerned about the industry ask them to pay more for their tkts and no one will have to take a pay cut. Maybe the pilots were smart enough to have a union fight for them.

PHX MAMA, let me be the first to tell you that there are alot of pilots that have NOT put money away and saved for a rainy day. I engage them every trip I fly on. I haven't found one pilot that wants to strike but will do so if Lee Moak tells them to. Very sad and in my opinion quite foolish. The industry is in a tailspin and fuel is rising..again. So instead of fighting another day, they draw a line in the sand and are willing to piss their whole careers down the drain! Ignorance, pure and simple.. :down:

 

[QA4Jet-A]

PHX MAMA, let me be the first to tell you that there are alot of pilots that have NOT put money away and saved for a rainy day. I engage them every trip I fly on. I haven't found one pilot that wants to strike but will do so if Lee Moak tells them to. Very sad and in my opinion quite foolish. The industry is in a tailspin and fuel is rising..again. So instead of fighting another day, they draw a line in the sand and are willing to piss their whole careers down the drain! Ignorance, pure and simple.. :down:

Vike, I am not replying to stir the pot but I do have a few questions in regard to your post. If the Pilots you have engaged convo with do not agree with a strike, then, why did 97% vote for it? I doubt they had a gun held to their head. You stated above that the Pilots will adhere to anything Lee Moak says.... Why is that? He is their leader, just like out Soldiers follow the commands of their leaders. Yes, this is war. Why did they not put anything away knowing this was "coming down the pike"? I will agree, most in this industry are suffering, between the Fuel issues, <LCCs> and a monumental change in Corporate America doing Business, plus I'm sure a plethera of other factors that come into play. There comes a time in everyones life when they have to make a decision based upon ...What is best for me! Regardless of how it affects anyone else, That's Life. Call it selfishness, greed, ignorance... whatever. A person has to do what their Heart says for the sake of survival. In this case it seems "I'm not taking anymore paycuts! Yanno, I can see their point. Everyone else bent over and took a new injection in the shorts and guess what, Upper Mgmt gets their way and will laugh all the way to the bank. For once, The Delta Pilots have stood up to what all the other Pilot Unions have not done.. and that is say "NO"! It's about time someone has the Cajones to say that. With that being said, let me add I wish a fair and compromising agreement to all parties involved and damn soon. I don't wish ill will on anyone and I look forward to seeing the Widget in the air. Even though I have an "A" on my tail

 

[PhxMama]

I also have spoken to many Delta Pilots and they all love their jobs but are unwilling to give any more. Thats not saying that a compromise of some sort will not be negotiated. I believe they will settle. Many I have spoken to have started to invest in real estate or look at other opportunties in other fields. This is not something that has come out of the blue and the financial implications have not been ignored. If for some reason they dont settle many people will be affected and all of us need to realize the importance of making preparations for our futures. Sometimes the reality of the situation doesnt hit until its too late. Lets hope and pray for the best!

 

[Vikedog64]

Vike, I am not replying to stir the pot but I do have a few questions in regard to your post. If the Pilots you have engaged convo with do not agree with a strike, then, why did 97% vote for it? I doubt they had a gun held to their head. You stated above that the Pilots will adhere to anything Lee Moak says.... Why is that? He is their leader, just like out Soldiers follow the commands of their leaders. Yes, this is war. Why did they not put anything away knowing this was "coming down the pike"? I will agree, most in this industry are suffering, between the Fuel issues, <LCCs> and a monumental change in Corporate America doing Business, plus I'm sure a plethera of other factors that come into play. There comes a time in everyones life when they have to make a decision based upon ...What is best for me! Regardless of how it affects anyone else, That's Life. Call it selfishness, greed, ignorance... whatever. A person has to do what their Heart says for the sake of survival. In this case it seems "I'm not taking anymore paycuts! Yanno, I can see their point. Everyone else bent over and took a new injection in the shorts and guess what, Upper Mgmt gets their way and will laugh all the way to the bank. For once, The Delta Pilots have stood up to what all the other Pilot Unions have not done.. and that is say "NO"! It's about time someone has the Cajones to say that. With that being said, let me add I wish a fair and compromising agreement to all parties involved and damn soon. I don't wish ill will on anyone and I look forward to seeing the Widget in the air. Even though I have an "A" on my tail

I didn't say that they don't agree with a strike or some type of self help, I just said that they don't want to. Yes, they are drawing a line in the sand and I believe there will be a settlement at some point. I still think it is not a wise decision to throw everything away at this point in the airline cycle. Times are tough but I like the direction we as a company are finally going. To me, the pilot agreement is the last big peice to finish. DL and NW for that matter are very weak now but I believe there is light at the end of the tunnel. Our household took a 40% salary cut so I know about hardships. In my opinion, this is not the time tothrow everything away. And for the record, I do support the pilots in most of their arguments.

 

[WorldTraveler]

no one has yet to deny that even if DALPA fully accepted management's proposal, DL pilots would still make better than UA or US pilots and have work rules that are no worse and probably will be better than NW although that contract is still in flux. DL pilots will fare better than those at any other recently bankrupt company - so much for the theory that DL's pilots are disproportionately taking it in the shorts.

You simply do not shut a company down because you are not the highest paid in your industry anymore. The AFL-CIO won't let it happen and neither will the multitudinous levels of government that could put this to bed.

Hopefully, we'll hear the news of an agreement before the weekend. It's time to move on and rebuild Delta.

 

[QA4Jet-A]

no one has yet to deny that even if DALPA fully accepted management's proposal, DL pilots would still make better than UA or US pilots and have work rules that are no worse and probably will be better than NW although that contract is still in flux. DL pilots will fare better than those at any other recently bankrupt company - so much for the theory that DL's pilots are disproportionately taking it in the shorts.

You simply do not shut a company down because you are not the highest paid in your industry anymore. The AFL-CIO won't let it happen and neither will the multitudinous levels of government that could put this to bed.

Hopefully, we'll hear the news of an agreement before the weekend. It's time to move on and rebuild Delta.

DL pilots will fare better than those at any other recently bankrupt company - so much for the theory that DL's pilots are disproportionately taking it in the shorts.
...and you base this comment on what? You know something no one else does????

 

[john john]

that have mortgages, kids to feed, cars to pay for and backs to put clothes on. We have made our own sacrifices, absorbed pay cuts and benefit reductions and we have hung in there because we believe that if we all pull together, we can turn Delta around and bring her back to the great airline she once was. Quite frankly, we are angry that 7.8% of the workforce has power over the rest of us...that 7.8% of the workforce has the capacity to send the other 92.2% of us to the unemployment line. Since it is OUR airline, perhaps all 47,000 of us should vote as to whether you strike or not.

I think I am pretty typical of most of the front line Delta employees. I made less then $30,000 last year. I have taken pay and benefit cuts to stay with Delta. Why? Because I enjoy my job, I enjoy the ability to travel and I have found Delta to be a good company to work for. Is your union going to help me pay my rent and child support if you choose to strike and run this airline out of business?

Sounds like somebody needs to organize and negotiate a raise



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