DL may drop MSP NRT
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eolesen
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I'm sure the longer reach of the 787 and 777 have as much to do with this as HND does.
But... to be clear.... DL wouldn't be "forced" to drop this by anyone other than their Finance department.
If the route can't support itself without fifth freedom traffic, then maybe it shouldn't be flown. Let the good people of MSP connect in LAX or SEA instead of connecting in NRT...
But... to be clear.... DL wouldn't be "forced" to drop this by anyone other than their Finance department.
If the route can't support itself without fifth freedom traffic, then maybe it shouldn't be flown. Let the good people of MSP connect in LAX or SEA instead of connecting in NRT...
Sorry. I meant to say that they wouldn't allow their grandmother access to HND, not NRT Having pinched nerve problems which causes numbness in my fingers.jimntx said:
eolesen
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Haven't confirmed, but the rumor is that HND access would require DL and UA to give up their unlimited fifth freedom rights, and likely being grandfathered in only at NRT and/or airports where they have been in place.
Can't speak for either DL or UA, but I'd think it might be time to stop clinging to the spoils of a war from 70+ years ago...
Can't speak for either DL or UA, but I'd think it might be time to stop clinging to the spoils of a war from 70+ years ago...
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and DL/UA need to tell Japan to suck it.eolesen said:
And the US limit when ANA and JAL can fly to the US from HND. Make those slots equally as loss making as the 3 US mainland slots.
I don't think that will happen. A few more slots for US carriers and the times of the 4 current slots changed to more profitable times.jimntx said:
DL's issue is it wants to be able to move its current NRT operations to HND. The argument is DL should get more HND slots than AA/UA because they don't have a JV partner. (somewhat logical honestly, but opening up a can of worms DL doesn't really want to open.)
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Pay attention. He started it with his skippy comment. And this is on the DL board not aa. You won't see me saying negative comments on your board. Bias laid bare ... I've never tried to hide it. The comment about bias was an observation not an insult.Glenn Quagmire said:
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A decent recap from CF here:
http://crankyflier.com/2016/01/18/delta-ramps-up-its-all-or-nothing-strategy-in-tokyo/
http://crankyflier.com/2016/01/18/delta-ramps-up-its-all-or-nothing-strategy-in-tokyo/
eolesen
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As usual, Brett's comments nail the issue and why DL trying to change the outcome probably won't work.
It's pretty clear any lobbying DL does on their own will be quickly discounted as protecting DL's interests and DL's interests only.
By quitting A4A, they pretty much gave the other airlines a free hand to paint any revised agreements that open up HND as being what's best for the consumer.
It's pretty clear any lobbying DL does on their own will be quickly discounted as protecting DL's interests and DL's interests only.
By quitting A4A, they pretty much gave the other airlines a free hand to paint any revised agreements that open up HND as being what's best for the consumer.
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Eric, Would it make any sense at all, for AA to "give it a shot" with MSP-TKO(TYO) ?
