DNC2008

[slupilot01]

So I am curious to hear everyone's opinion...after so much discussion and arguing over Obama's credentials and not having enough experience...mainly by his current running mate, former opponent (Hillary Clinton) as well as a former President (Bill Clinton), but somehow over the last three days all three have stood behind and said, yes, he has the experience necessary to lead. Did he miraculously gain some new life-altering experience in the last few weeks that we are all supossed to forget that they have just lied through their teeth, either then or now? I personally dont know hwho I will vote for yet, but come on, seriously? The bandwagon jumping is not a good way to help sway my vote.

 

[slupilot01]

Please execuse the poor grammar, its a little early this morning....

 

[Pain at the Pump]

slupilot01,

A few observations if I may.

From both factions, there are a certain amount of "deficits" !

Personally, I'm choosing by evaluation the entire ticket(s), meaning that the VP(s) could very easily play larger roles than normal.
Obama is young, but JFK, Clinton and Bush had youth as well, so there obviously is a certain amount of doubt. John McCain either doesn't have a plan for a horrible economy, OR trumpets Bush's plan which undoubtedly Gave us this horrible economy.(don't take my word for it, just listen to your friends and neighbors)(McCain has to a certain extent, foreign policy experience, but in my view could be More "trigger happy" than Cheney or Bush If thats possible) !

Obama made a Superior VP pick in Joe Biden, who in my view has been THE most qualified person to be President in the last 4 election cycles(the man is the Complete Package, despite his ability to "over talk" at times.)
No matter who McCain selects(Remember the Religious right wing have forbidden McCain to select a pro-choicer-think Joe Lieberman) his pick will be far inferior to Biden.

Yes, McCain scores "more on points" than Obama, as the President ALONE, in his "strong suits", but when McCains trumpets Bush's bad policies, his Total points(system) drops down(example, if John McCain scores a plus 12,then a minus 7, his net points then become a plus five)
So I once again will make my decision by evaluating the Entire team(s) !

Hope this helps in your decision.

 

[Pain at the Pump]

Perhaps, one the more overlooked speeches last evening was John Kerry's speech pertaining to John McCain. Having known each other for 25+ years, Kerry made a crystal clear distinction of "Sen. McCain vs Candidate McCain"
Kerry pointed out how sad it was to watch John McCain "cave in Again" to his party's base which Sen. McCain Does, only when he runs for President ! Think for a Moment, how Sen. McCain sticks firmly to HIS beliefs, when he runs for re-election for Senate with his constituents, in Arizona. THAT, I offer to you, is the "real McCain"

Further, Sen. Kerry made two humorous though "spot on" remarks when he said that,"John McCain, Before he engages in debate with Anyone, should Finish His Debate with Himself" !
Additionally, Sen Kerry said that(in a Sen. McCain vs Candidate McCain context), "He was FOR things, Before he was Against them" !

Touche Sen. Kerry !!!

 

[southwind]

slupilot01,

A few observations if I may.

From both factions, there are a certain amount of "deficits" !

Personally, I'm choosing by evaluation the entire ticket(s), meaning that the VP(s) could very easily play larger roles than normal.
Obama is young, but JFK, Clinton and Bush had youth as well, so there obviously is a certain amount of doubt. John McCain either doesn't have a plan for a horrible economy, OR trumpets Bush's plan which undoubtedly Gave us this horrible economy.(don't take my word for it, just listen to your friends and neighbors)(McCain has to a certain extent, foreign policy experience, but in my view could be More "trigger happy" than Cheney or Bush If thats possible) !

Obama made a Superior VP pick in Joe Biden, who in my view has been THE most qualified person to be President in the last 4 election cycles(the man is the Complete Package, despite his ability to "over talk" at times.)
No matter who McCain selects(Remember the Religious right wing have forbidden McCain to select a pro-choicer-think Joe Lieberman) his pick will be far inferior to Biden.

Yes, McCain scores "more on points" than Obama, as the President ALONE, in his "strong suits", but when McCains trumpets Bush's bad policies, his Total points(system) drops down(example, if John McCain scores a plus 12,then a minus 7, his net points then become a plus five)
So I once again will make my decision by evaluating the Entire team(s) !

Hope this helps in your decision.

As you stated in your post, the VP's will play a big role in who becomes President and in that case McCain picking Romney as his running mate should alleviate any fears you have about the economy which neither Biden and especially Nobama has experience in!

McCain on foreign policy + Romney on the economy = the best chance for this country !

BTW.............what exactely DOES Nobama have political experience in ...............besides speeches !

 

[southwind]

Perhaps, one the more overlooked speeches last evening was John Kerry's speech pertaining to John McCain. Having known each other for 25+ years, Kerry made a crystal clear distinction of "Sen. McCain vs Candidate McCain"
Kerry pointed out how sad it was to watch John McCain "cave in Again" to his party's base which Sen. McCain Does, only when he runs for President ! Think for a Moment, how Sen. McCain sticks firmly to HIS beliefs, when he runs for re-election for Senate with his constituents, in Arizona. THAT, I offer to you, is the "real McCain"

Further, Sen. Kerry made two humorous though "spot on" remarks when he said that,"John McCain, Before he engages in debate with Anyone, should Finish His Debate with Himself" !
Additionally, Sen Kerry said that(in a Sen. McCain vs Candidate McCain context), "He was FOR things, Before he was Against them" !

Touche Sen. Kerry !!!

And all this coming from a "Swift-Boat" member who lied about his service in the military, for political gains.................What a joke ! :huh:

Talk about the pot calling the kettle black !

 

[KCFlyer]

And all this coming from a "Swift-Boat" member who lied about his service in the military, for political gains.................What a joke ! :huh:

Talk about the pot calling the kettle black !

Lied based on what....a book by a guy who WASN'T there?

 

[slupilot01]

And all this coming from a "Swift-Boat" member who lied about his service in the military, for political gains.................What a joke ! :huh:

Talk about the pot calling the kettle black !

Alright, I apprecaite all the different opinions, but I honestly wanted this to be a more rational discussion...thank you Pain at the Pump. I apprecaite your not attacking and name calling but rather explaining. While the points I think are very valid, I think the question still remains of, what experience can he truly bring to the table? Clinton and Bush were both Governors of Arkansas and Texas respectively. While that may not bring about a lot of foreign policy experience, per say, they had a wealth of experience in running a state and having to handle the judicial and legislative branches of those states. I guess my biggest fear comes from the fact that neither candidate has truly said anything concrete that they will do or not do during their term in office on anything, but that change is the name of the game. Well, obviously change will happen when Bush jr. leaves office, because any President that wants to follow the same policies and guidelines to the T will be committing political suicide, but thats just my opinion. Also, with respect to Kerry's comment on "he was for something before he was against it" weighs nothing in my book. Almost EVERY elected official has changed their stance on one thing or another, especially as they have gotten higher and higher in the system because they are always trying to apease various people and that just cant always happen. Anyway, thanks for the comments. Ill keep checking back every now and then and comment.

Adios for now

 

[KCFlyer]

Clinton and Bush were both Governors of Arkansas and Texas respectively. While that may not bring about a lot of foreign policy experience, per say, they had a wealth of experience in running a state and having to handle the judicial and legislative branches of those states.

Governorship might have given Clinton experience in running a state, but Bush didn't get so much from Texas, since the Texas Governor's office is a weak office. You can compare the power of various governors offices here.

 

[Pain at the Pump]

slupilot01,

(Just) perhaps, it's "way above our Pay Grade" as to why individuals just seem to "appear" on the scene !
This is what I believe. And this is why (again) I refer back to the VP playing a significant role here in 2008, and Joe Bidens VAST knowledge of every aspect of Government.
Mr Biden Certainly is "In touch" with the majority of Americans today with regard to Domestic policy. His foreign policy experience Has No Equal !

Again "above our pay grade", is the fact that Sen. Obama attracts people by the hundreds of thousands, who I might add are Not all under the age of 25 !!

I can't control people on this web site who delight in Name Calling, but I'd like to remind these folks that Mr. Obama is a member of the United States Senate. Senatorial jobs are not won in a lottery, or obtained from inside a wheaties box , nor a result of a popularity contest, meaning that thousands upon thousands of folks from Illinois selected Mr. Obama to represent them in Washington.

From the Massive crowd that I witnessed last saturday in Springfield Illinois, it would be Hard to make the case that Only folks from the inner-city of Chicago put Sen. Obama in office !

 

[cooper43]

This is totally a bias opinion but the past 2 nights of the DNC have been very inspirational in my opinion. I was wondering if anyone else thought so. Speeches from Michelle Obama, Hillary Clinton, Bill Clinton, Joe Biden, and many others have been right on target for charging up the crowds. I hope that Obama will hit it out of the park tonight.

Do you think the Republican convention will be as inspiring? and why or why not. I personally do not think that the republicans have as inspiring speakers this go around. In past years they have had a message but I think that the Dems have the message that people want to hear this election year.

 

[Gilding the Lily]

Do you think the Republican convention will be as inspiring? and why or why not.

I am answering that with a cautious 'no'. Their own Committee Chair suggested that repub candidates should consider skipping out on the convention. Moreover, numerous speakers (Minn. papers stated) have been asked to speak twice at the convention. I have no idea if it is because they had "un-filled" spots, but I do know that I don't care to hear the same speaker twice. That leads me to believe, at very least, that it will not be as invigorating as the dem convention (as invigorating as a convention could be, I guess). I am looking forward to Mitt's speech though... which hopefully occurs during the VP nominee slot.

 

[PITbull]

All I can say is that this convention was nothing short of "AMAZING"!!!

Being the political whore that McCain can be...my guess is that he will pick a female VP so that in his mind...he can also make history and campaign for the WOMEN vote.

 

[KCFlyer]

All I can say is that this convension was nothing short of "AMAZING"!!!

Being the political whore that McCain can be...my guess is that he will pick a female VP so that in his mind...he can also make history and campaign for the WOMEN vote.

So who's your guess...Ann Coulter?

 

[PITbull]

As you stated in your post, the VP's will play a big role in who becomes President and in that case McCain picking Romney as his running mate should alleviate any fears you have about the economy which neither Biden and especially Nobama has experience in!

McCain on foreign policy + Romney on the economy = the best chance for this country !

BTW.............what exactely DOES Nobama have political experience in ...............besides speeches !

Hey Charlie Brown...he was a state senator in Illinois for 7 years. He was raised by a single mom and grand parents, who came from humble backgrounds. He understands, IMO, what it is like to go to college on loans and understands what it's like not to have a father in the home. His aspirations were never to be president of the U.S. but he has risen to those heights because of his ability to touch the hearts and minds of millions of people and give them hope for a better future for this nation.

Mitty Romney did a lousy job in MA, and his "so called" Health program has left the state with hundreds of millions in deficits!!!!!! McCain thinks because he is a war veteran and war hero that makes him all knowing on matters of war. For him to bring it up in every speech and every forum just leads one to believe that he thinks he deserves the presidency of the U.S. for his war service.

If that's all there is as a primary criteria, then we have millions of vets that could run and serve.