Election Results

[fliboi78]

I can't believe that the TWA flight attendants decided EVERY national officer. That is weird. This is a major message to the "membership". We really need to start acting like a commited union. Why do I always see those bag tags that say, "Unity Pays". Do they just need something on their bags or do they really mean it? I've been at this company now since 2000 and I know its not long on the "property" but this is just sick. I know people have their various reasons for not voting, but 1517 TWAers voted for Tommie's slate. If they would have swung those votes to JW (for example only) he could have won. I know that would have never happen but its just an example. I think the TWAers knew that the TWA candidates had no chance so they threw their name behind Tommie's Slate because of issues I shall not say

I will say one thing though. Even though I am in danger of loosing my seniority even my job to the TWAers, they REALLY know what unity is! Regardless of what they go for, they are relentless. Maybe its time we on the "property" took a page out of their book.

But I am just happy to be back from furlough. Hopefully for at least 6 more months!

 

[operaations]

you need to relax and thw word TWAERS they are all professional people like you and me. They can not decide the seniority fate a judge will. They like the rest of you sit back and see what happens. Chill out

 

[twasilverbullet]

you need to relax and thw word TWAERS they are all professional people like you and me. They can not decide the seniority fate a judge will. They like the rest of you sit back and see what happens. Chill out

Amen!

 

[flyingmywingsoff]

nothing wierd about it...it's called being unified (as in UNION). and if you all want to run around thinking that tommie hutto blake's slate is going to give us our seniority, then you're not only wierd, but stupid as well. it's real simple...you don't vote for someone who put you out on the street with no furlough pay...can you grasp that concept?? i would vote for howdy doody if he were running against ward. i would vote for ANYONE but ward, and seniority has nothing to do with it.

 

[gdpflyer]

What is amazing, is not that the TWA'ers blocked voted. And nor is it amazing they block voted against Ward. The KNOW their seniority will be decided in the courts and NO WHERE else....No matter who gets elected, a jury will settle their
seniority. In fact, if there had been no extension , they would have cast the decisive NO vote in the previous election....Don't you wish we had listened then??
As for voting for the THB slate....they had to try to pick mostly likely candidate to unseat Ward....and they will do it again in the run-off. What is amazing, is that
any AA flight attendant voted for Ward....that is what amazed the TWA'ers more than anything else....and it can only be that the flight attendants actually believe that whoever gets elected will have some say in the seniority issue....Look at your contract NOW, look at what Ward GAVE away needlessly, look at your working conditions.....it is just amazing.....you have gone NEEDLESSLY from a "leading edge" contract, to pretty sad working conditions...and got nothing for it...And you have a permanent set of no furlough pay, no cost, employees at the bottom that AA can furlough at will anytime business gets a bit slow. One thing for sure, the TWA'ers may have worked for a shakey airline for quite a while, but at least they were able to have a very flight attendant "friendly" set of work rules. Hourly wage is only part of the package....and now the AA'ers have a reduced hourly wage and almost NONE of the work friendly rules the twa'ers had . So what is so good about John Ward??? nada....he gave away the farm, he knows NOTHING about negotiating a decent contract under pressure, he gave,gave,gave away to his buddy Carty, and got NOTHING in return. how foolish is that??? And now he will once again play the SENIORITY card in the run-off and like fools, he will be believed. No, what is amazing is not that the TWA'ers voted UNIFIED...they know that eventually, in a couple of years, the courts will decide that Ward violated the integration agreement, and that they will come back to work. They just want to come back to a job worth having....and being mostly senior, they will have jobs worth having for the most part, regardless of how screwed up Ward made the new contract....but you see, they look at the BIG picture....they know you have to have someone in office who knows how to negotiate, who looks at the ENTIRE membership, and who looks at the entire contract and working conditions...
no, what is amazing is not how they voted...what is AMAZING is that any AA'ers voted for Ward......

 

[L1011Ret]

I have to agree with many of these posts. The TWA vote was not about seniority, it was about getting rid of Ward. He, Ward, got about 28% of the vote. And probably scared a lot of that 28% by using the seniority issue. The seniority issue will not be decided by any elected leader of APFA. It is nonsense to think that an elected leader of APFA could persuade the APFA BOD to change their minds about the SIA. Where is the reality testing in all these fearful fantasies?

The total votes amount to only slightly more than 50% of possible voters. What is the apathy about?

 

[LiveInAHotel]

The reason the former TWA f/a's voted for THB as President is because she is for giving them DOH for seniority. The reason most nAAtives voted for Ward was because he is against giving them DOH.

With THB at the helm, we nAAtives better watch her closely. If she tries to give TWA f/a's DOH, it will be time to recall THB!

No, I didn't vote for Wardo.

 

[fliboi78]

look. i am not stupid nor high strung! i am just shocked that they all voted for one candidate one way and it wasn't the "TWA Slate". also that they were so united! i VERY much admire that. they are doing something that we on the line would never do. i do not appreciate the childish name calling. if anything i was praising the TWA flight attendants for their unity. if you would like i could act all of my 25 years and do the same but i was simply stating that the twaers are unified and not the way most AAers who are on the line thought. my post had nothing to do with twa's seniority lawsuit. it was ONLY about how they voted. as for the word twaers, i've seen it applied by a twaer. that is why i use it. also i am lazy. i don't want to think of anything new or type anything longer. in my original post, once again, i said the most amazing thing that we need to learn on the line is that UNITY that twa has! and of course i know that former twa fa's would never vote for ward. i used it as an example. i said that in my next sentence after i used the example. and gdpflyer were you furloughed in the past few years??????? if not don't you talk to me about how things have changed. i was gone for the past 5 months and know what has changed! it is like coming to work for a totally different company!!!!!!!! i know what exactly what has changed. i've been on payroll at jfk now for two full months now and am yet to see a pay check that has been over 800 bucks! there is not one of the big 6 airlines in america that didn't see something happen to their work rules and/or pay. i don't think TH slate nor Ward will be able to get that back anytime soon! and of course i am not happy about that but i will be going along to my fellow under 5 year flight attendants and make sure they are voting for whomever. just as long as they are voting!

but i am just happy to be back

also if you would like to know. most of the junior and the recalled fas in ny voted for ellis. about the 50 i asked told me that they didn't like THB nor Ward. I being one of those 50. i didn't want to say anything about the THB and the seniority thing because i didn't know if it was true or not. but everytime i asked THB about the seniorit thing (being only 4 years myself) she said that it was in the courts. and that is true but one needs to know what their candidates stand for. i don't want some vague answer.

 

[flyingmywingsoff]

liveinahotel, thb is going to give the twa people their seniority? do you have a copy of that agreement? could you post it please, because, boy, would i like to see it!!!! you are riding that unfounded rumor for all it's worth aren't you? i say, either PROVE it to me, or take a big drink of shut up juice.

 

[gdpflyer]

ROFL
and exactly HOW is THB going to give the TWA'ers DOH seniority?
you must live not in a hotel room, but under a rock...
THB cant give the TWA'ers anything with regard to seniority.
She CAN try to get unlimited recall for furloughed flight attendants.
She CAN try to get furlough pay re-installed.
She CAN try to negotiate lower duty days and decent rest.
She CAN try to fix the problems with the new RPA.
SHE CAN NOT give anyone SENIORITY.
This is in the hands of the courts.....a JURY will decide the merits of the case.
What is amazing is that once the courts decide in favor of the twa'ers, it will
be nAAtives who suffer the most from Wards decisions to punish the twa'ers,
as all his moves to stick it to them, will then be used to stick it to the nAAtives on the bottom of the seniority list..they will be furlough fodder (no furlough pay,no unlimited recall rights,etc). Even with the RPA, the twa'ers will be so senior they won't even have to worry about that..they will have wonderful choices of trips to
fly... The twa'ers voted AGAINST Ward, and they had to pick the most likely person to upset him...and they knew it would probably be THB. They picked the lessor of two evils....at least with THB, they get someone who hasn't already screwed things up royally....and hopefully can listen to some alternatives from people who have had years of experience at working at a $$ troubled airline, and know what matters in terms of working conditions...it is not ALL about the hourly rate...it is about UNITY and WORKING conditions.....
the one fact is....the TWA'ers will get their jobs back....they just want to have a job worth coming back to, until they can retire.....
it is time to focus on the real issues here.....job protection, working conditions,
and negotiation skills......and stop using rhetoric and smoke screens and crying
the "big bad twa seniority sky is falling" cry....it won't work this time around...

 

[LiveInAHotel]

Here are the official election results: Base results are read from left to right. I bold typed STL, so you can see their unity.

BOS BOSI DCA DCAI DFW IDF IMA IOR JFK LAX LAXI LGA MIA ORD

RDUI SFO SFOI SLT STL

APFA President

Steven Ellis: 91 72 48 17 215 114 393 155 368 161 79 178 339 248 2 224 32 204 28: Total 2968 24%

Tommie L. Hutto-Blake 71 90 112 29 197 194 221 299 478 167 79 336 192 302 30 56 32 59 1517: Total 4461 36% (as you can see THB is well liked in STL

Rock Salomon 58 9 15 3 173 72 82 23 58 99 7 55 90 89 1 23 7 17 32: Total 913 7%

John Ward 107 44 75 15 1178 610 116 234 103 263 43 132 124 327 6 136 48 35 3: Total 3599 29% (as you can see JW is not liked in STL with only 3 votes, but in nAAtive bases he is)...See ya JW!!

APFA Vice-President

Ted Bedwell, Jr. 107 55 87 26 1095 567 123 244 132 243 38 141 135 340 5 155 41 57 8: Total 3599 29%

Dixie Daniels 4 1 3 3 19 17 8 8 10 11 5 14 7 11 0 12 3 11 354: Total 501 4%

Brett Durkin 113 130 127 24 274 256 415 367 623 257 134 387 374 425 32 129 59 142 1382: Total 5650 46%

Sam Morales 98 29 32 10 363 148 269 89 234 174 35 160 224 194 2 118 14 96 46: Total 2335 19%

APFA Secretary

Diana M. Balfour 7 2 3 0 6 5 4 2 6 3 0 8 4 4 0 6 1 1 113: Total 175 1%

Greg Hildreth 114 124 141 29 350 290 381 384 659 265 119 405 337 411 34 141 51 143 1313: Total 5691 46%

Linda Lanning 113 58 73 25 1142 578 146 256 151 263 67 165 159 368 5 161 50 74 6: Total 3860 31%...See ya Linda!!

Nancy McGuire 10 1 4 1 27 21 24 12 9 6 4 11 13 18 0 19 4 7 272: Total 463 4%

Elizabeth Lee Price 76 28 27 7 223 91 247 51 170 138 20 108 213 152 0 78 11 76 49: Total 1765 14%

Nancy Winn 2 0 2 0 8 4 4 2 2 4 2 4 5 11 0 3 1 1 37: Total 92 1%

APFA Treasurer

William “Billâ€￾ Green 92 25 27 4 255 118 209 54 164 156 26 135 217 147 1 92 18 79 125: Total 1944 16%

Juan Johnson 120 75 81 24 1196 638 220 241 160 279 65 161 205 372 6 182 52 76 29: Total 4182 34%...See ya Juan!!

Cathy Hermann Lukensmeyer 111 115 142 35 304 234 383 416 671 247 120 406 315 448 31 139 47 150 1614: Total 5928 48%

APFA mailed a total of 24,253 ballots and only 12,791 were returned. Out of those only 12,356 were valid ballots. STL had the most ballots mailed in with 1,924 and only 1,818 were valid. I do have to say one thing about the TWA f/a's, they do know what the word UNITY means.

 

[LiveInAHotel]

I said she is for it. I didn't say she was going to do it.

 

[operaations]

Ok who won. Is it official yet is ward in or out.

 

[skivoodoo]

And pray tell where did you get that information? THB has stated, ON RECORD, that the SIA will be decided in court. She is NOT FOR giving us our seniority. Period!

fliboi78-

I understood your compliment and I thank you for it. We're all touchy these days. Hopefully, some of the junior f/a's will learn from us and see what's it like to be unified. I can assure you that JW and his cronies have not given your group a clear picture of what unionism is all about. At TWA, we created a very different contract than the other airlines had. There was something in it for everyone: Junior-Senior, Commmuter-Local, High time flyer-Low Time Flyer, Line Holder-Reserve. You get the picture-we took care of everyone and fought for even the most junior. Any union is only as strong as it's junior member's rights. JW proved what he thinks about the junior f/a's. nothing.

Please think for yourself and try not to let the Ward anti-TWA propoganda machine color the true picture. The president of APFA can not give TWA our seniority. THB can not and does not want to give us our seniority. That's the god honest truth.
The truth also will show you just how badly Ward's administration destroyed the F/A career at AA. As a junior f/a, he not only took away your security net (furlough pay) but he STOLE your FUTURE career. THB is a vote for change and a vote for optimism that we can get our careers back!

SKI

 

[operaations]

If only half of the flight attendant work force actually voted than I feel sorry for those who did vote. The ones that do vote should be the only ones aloud to voice their opinion on how well the APFA is doing or not doing. It is a shame that when you have a chance to vote in a person or persons to represent your livleyhood, your career, your profession only have actually voted.