Embraer 190s

[ClueByFour]

P.S. By the way, there are clear risks involved for the America West pilot group with an arbitrated settlement and they know that in no uncertain terms. It's too bad that your disgruntled 59-year old hardliner source will not be able to enjoy the fruits of the merger.

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My sources are not who you think. But it's a nice try.

As for the HP pilot group, the big threat is the age of the AAA pilot group, their numbers, and their propensity in mergers past to make the "DOH" grab--which is exactly why it'll go to arbitration.

The biggest risk HP pilots face is being fenced off the widebody flying forever (Piedmont style, you might say).

Career expectation. You'll see it again. Bank on it.

 

[USA320Pilot]

Clue:

You're wrong again...the biggest advantage for the America West pilots may be the average US Airways pilot age. The average US Airways Captain age is 55, the average F/O age is 52, and the average pilot age is 54. Because of the age difference between the pilot groups the last thing the America West pilots want is to be fenced off of 50 widebody paying aircraft for possibly 20 years.

It's been done before when two ALPA carrier's merge.

There are very few of us like myself who are young Captains and Aeerica West ALPA clearly understands this point.

According to recent published reports by the America West merger committee they fully understand the risks of an arbitated settlement considering the Republic - Northwest and US Airways - Shuttle integrations.

Both Merger Committee's have gone on record indicating they desire a negotiated and I believe "when there is a will there is a way."

Your viewpoint does not come from the parties, I have direct access to the people negotiating the seniority list integration, and I believe your simplistic viewpoint is wrong.

That's all I'm going to say and if you want the last word as a passenger and not an ALPA member...so be it.

Regards,

USA320Pilot

 

[vsi0]

The bottom line is -- the AAA Mec would sell their mothers if it would put them just one number higher on the senority list! Nothing that comes out of their ranks should be consider good for the masses, unless of course you tow the party line. Of course that 320 guy would have you believe different but anyone that can make their on decisions based on the information presented can see that if it quaks then it must be a duck.

ALL or NONE!

 

[ClueByFour]

Clue:

Clue said: "AAA ALPA would be best to actually stand up this time. If the current crew on the MEC goes to war with the Amwest folks to obtain "windfall city," the arbitrator will end up killing AAA over it (those nasty career expectations)."

USA320Pilot comments: It's obvious you do not understand the ramifications of the Nicolau award, current discussions, or what is currently happening between the parties.

Regards,

USA320Pilot

Hey 320--let's look back at what I said about the East folks trying to obtain "windfall city" and how much you understand about Nicolau.

Care to comment about how deep your understanding really went back then?

Who was the first to point out that the overreach of the East MEC would bite it squarely in the hindquarters?

Clue:

I’m not going to go into an in-depth pilot merger seniority integration discussion with you on this message board, but once again your last post shows how little you know about what is really happening. I have direct access (and you do not) to the key principals and what you are “spoutingâ€￾ is clearly wrong. Let’s just leave it at that…

Regards,

USA320Pilot

Thought I would ask--whose version was closer to reality?

BTW--that which you were "spouting" was "clearly wrong."

Clue:

Wrong again, but what is new? I suggest you talk with people like Phil Carey, Bob Kirsch, Kevin Berry, Ken Stravers, and Kevin Horner. As a disgruntled passenger with an obvious "ax to grind", you are truly clueless on this matter.

As I said before, I’m not going to discuss this issue in a public forum, which even you should be able to understand the reasons why, then again…

Regards,

USA320Pilot

P.S. By the way, there are clear risks involved for the America West pilot group with an arbitrated settlement and they know that in no uncertain terms. It's too bad that your disgruntled 59-year old hardliner source will not be able to enjoy the fruits of the merger.

Another gem. I hit the number closer than you, your inside sources, the entire East MEC, Ms Cleo, and 700UW combined.

I'm sure that the source you infer I have (who, might I add, has never said a word to me or, near as I can tell, anyone else, on the subject) is really regretting not losing several thousand numbers because his MEC was greedy.

Clue:

You're wrong again...the biggest advantage for the America West pilots may be the average US Airways pilot age. The average US Airways Captain age is 55, the average F/O age is 52, and the average pilot age is 54. Because of the age difference between the pilot groups the last thing the America West pilots want is to be fenced off of 50 widebody paying aircraft for possibly 20 years.

It's been done before when two ALPA carrier's merge.

There are very few of us like myself who are young Captains and Aeerica West ALPA clearly understands this point.

According to recent published reports by the America West merger committee they fully understand the risks of an arbitated settlement considering the Republic - Northwest and US Airways - Shuttle integrations.

Both Merger Committee's have gone on record indicating they desire a negotiated and I believe "when there is a will there is a way."

Your viewpoint does not come from the parties, I have direct access to the people negotiating the seniority list integration, and I believe your simplistic viewpoint is wrong.

That's all I'm going to say and if you want the last word as a passenger and not an ALPA member...so be it.

Regards,

USA320Pilot

My last word, such as it was, was much closer to the actual result than all of your prognostications.

You can have the last word again. I've proven my point.

 

[BoeingBoy]

I'm sure that the source you infer I have (who, might I add, has never said a word to me or, near as I can tell, anyone else, on the subject) is really regretting not losing several thousand numbers because his MEC was greedy.

Heck - I'm too busy enjoying both the fruits of retirement and this three ring circus to regret anything.....

I think our "friend" is a lot more disgruntled than his overactive imagination ever dreamed I was (or am). I do understand, though, that he was just as disgruntled after the pension was given away but it didn't take long for him to start pushing the company line again.

Jim

 

[SpinDoc]

I am aware of the RFP, but why is US Air going to pull down 50-seat flying as they bring in 190s?

You know, that's a really good point. The natural progression would be to pull a 50 seater and add a CRJ-700 or EMB170 until the market proves itself. No matter what the official company line is, the EMB190's are direct replacements for the B737-300, of which many are slated for lease returns and retirement in the next 12 months.

Something weird is going on, and I suspect the company is clouding the situation purposely to conduct and end run around ALPA. Regardless, that's what lawyers are for, to separate the boosheet from the hard facts, and IMHO, US Airways or AWA pilots should be flying the EMB190, NOT the contracted carriers. Maybe ALPA needs better lawyers.

Just my observations. Heck, I like the EMB190. Passenger-wise, it's a huge improvement over the B737-300, and dare I say, the A319. At least the seats are wider, and there is no middle seat.

Spin

 

[EMBFA]

The E170 and "MidAtlantic" were purposely shrouded in a complex set-up that no one outside of the division understood... same certificate different contracts- same but not- mainline operating as Express- sale of aircraft without employees to another company... mainline planes parked, Republic to get 60 even bigger airplanes... no one else at mainline got what was going on, still don't.

The company is also very quiet about the E190. You just don't hear much about it from the company itself... tons of orders, no growth at the airline. Where are 55 of them going? Where are 30 Republic E175s going? In addition to the existing 30 E170s? They are not going to Elmira and Hagerstown. 110 airplanes are going somewhere in the system! Gosh, thats about the size of a small airline like America West. They'll take over SOME current RJ flying that used to be DC9, F100 etc, as well as most of what the 733s do today. Don't forget theres still the E195 to come which seats the same as an A319.

They were really able to pull one over on US employees with this fleet type. Not to mention set a precedent for the rest of the industry in regards to that fleet type. Fabulous plane to travel and work on... future workhorse in our colors, just not ours really... Low cost carrier! The few in-house ones are on such a low pay scale you can barely get pilots off furlough for it, and 75% of them are outsourced anyway!

The HP pilots shouldn't get too excited, they too will become 'senior-but-junior' like the native US pilots are as the ranks are depleted in favor of Republic and Mesa. If the thing doesnt shut down first after the abomination seniority list. You can only go on for so long with the majority of your workgroup not just "low morale" but full of rage with nothing to lose!

 

[Phoenix]

Honestly, how much money (if any) will US really save by farming out the MDA flying?

Are salaries not low enough in the division to operate these a/c profitably in house? How does a fee per departure arrangement make any sense at all for this type of flying?

Of course it is low enough, but they have gone through almost 1,500 furlougees and they can't seem to fill 25 slots in the 190.

They hardly filled 160 slots in the B737, AB320, and B757s.

 

[john john]

They were really able to pull one over on US employees with this fleet type.

ALPA was exclusively responsible for 91 86-seat a/c on the property to be outsourced

 

[Dont call me Shirley]

ALPA was exclusively responsible for 91 86-seat a/c on the property to be outsourced

What is ALPA's stand on Q400 flying at PDT?
It seems odd that a 70 seat turboprop cannot be flown by wholly owned company, but 86 seat jets can be outsourcef to an affiliate.

 

[john john]

What is ALPA's stand on Q400 flying at PDT?
It seems odd that a 70 seat turboprop cannot be flown by wholly owned company, but 86 seat jets can be outsourcef to an affiliate.

ALPA who? ALPA Piedmont or ALPA USAirways

 

[ClueByFour]

Never did get a reply on this, 320--do you still believe your information and sources on this issue are informed? Or even, dare I say, "Clued in?"

 

[diogenes]

The virus has a new host, but the new US is not yet fully symptomatic.

The virus will be full blown when mainline agents are relegated to a handful of stations (PHX, PHL, CLT, but the majority of agents will still be express) with the rest outsourced, and mainline metal (with concomitant crews and mechs) 757,767 and the Airbii's.

The EMB variants are the poor airline's B737, and that's how they'll be used.

And ALPA will be about as effective as the Maginot Line.

 

[TechBoy]

And ALPA will be about as effective as the Maginot Line.

Now, that's the truth! 😀

 

[ClueByFour]

Never did get a reply on this, 320--do you still believe your information and sources on this issue are informed? Or even, dare I say, "Clued in?"

Still waiting......