Embraer 190s

[ClueByFour]

AAA ALPA would be best to actually stand up this time. If the current crew on the MEC goes to war with the Amwest folks to obtain "windfall city," the arbitrator will end up killing AAA over it (those nasty career expectations).

That said, the -190 pay rates will be no more than $89/hr for the CA and $53/hr for the FO. That's what B6 is topping out at after 12 years--there is no way in hades the new entity will pay more. Thank the blue-aid drinkers.

 

[USA320Pilot]

Clue:

Clue said: "AAA ALPA would be best to actually stand up this time. If the current crew on the MEC goes to war with the Amwest folks to obtain "windfall city," the arbitrator will end up killing AAA over it (those nasty career expectations)."

USA320Pilot comments: It's obvious you do not understand the ramifications of the Nicolau award, current discussions, or what is currently happening between the parties.

Regards,

USA320Pilot

 

[ClueByFour]

Clue:

Clue said: "AAA ALPA would be best to actually stand up this time. If the current crew on the MEC goes to war with the Amwest folks to obtain "windfall city," the arbitrator will end up killing AAA over it (those nasty career expectations)."

USA320Pilot comments: It's obvious you do not understand the ramifications of the Nicolau award, current discussions, or what is currently happening between the parties.

Regards,

USA320Pilot

[post="285879"][/post]​

It's obvious that whichever arbitrator is selected for this particular hearing is not necessarily bound by what happened to/with Shuttle pilots. Further, you don't have 727 second officers to kick around. Finally, an HP newhire (up to and including the last guy hired before the merger was announced) has (well, had) demonstrably better career expectations than any active U pilot not holding a line in the left seat of something 757 or larger. (not that it matters for the furloughees, since I'm sure the existing AAA MEC will happily toss them under the bus to improve their own chances).

Like I said: if the AAA MEC thinks windfall city, it's going to get ugly. The career expectation facet favors almost every individual at HP over anyone at US on similar equipment. The 757/767/330 drivers at U will do okay in an ugly arbitration--everyone below will get creamed if the AAA MEC tries to grab a windfall.

Take it to the bank. That you believe Nicolau is either somehow binding or even applicable to this situation speaks directly to a very active imagination or overly optimistic thinking (or both).

 

[USA320Pilot]

Clue, as I said before, it's obvious you do not understand what is happening or how this will play out.

Regards,

USA320Pilot

 

[Light Years]

When does "MidAtlantic" officially end?

Are the America West ALPA/AFA aware of that? That the company is basically quickly selling off 10% of the US Airways fleet (28 planes), the only fleet with immediate growth as the 737 replacement? That what should be huge mainline growth will be contracted? And that they are making the furlough list bigger again?

An E170 is a 175 is a 190 is a 195 is a whatever they stretch it to, just as an A319 is a 320 is a 321.

You're not going to see the same type rating contracted at one configuration and mainline in another. These planes are mainline, period, and both carriers unions should be on this before they negotiate ANYTHING for the new company. Do it now before the first narrowbody is transferred to a contractor.

 

[diogenes]

No, I think he understands cannabilism as practiced at ALPA just fine.

 

[hharotz]

Honestly, how much money (if any) will US really save by farming out the MDA flying?

Are salaries not low enough in the division to operate these a/c profitably in house? How does a fee per departure arrangement make any sense at all for this type of flying?

 

[Light Years]

They aren't saving money by doing it, just making a quick $100 mil for management before they leave. They can't really afford to buy the bucketloads of them they want right now, so they figure let someone else.

Indirectly, they will save tons of money as they can park mainline aircraft (including labor and overhead), replacing them with a contracted version with the same capabilities.

Instead of keeping the revenue in house, they will be paying someone cost plus guaranteed profit to do it. And what do these contract companies do with the profits? A) Use the money to buy more airplanes to be flown in the competing systems of AA, UA, DL etc , B) Buy your airplanes and most valuable slots so they can "lease them back" to you, or c) Pull an ACA and start thier own airline using the routes, facilities and aircraft you bought them. Only now it's 100 seat narrowbodies instead of RJs.

 

[LGA Fleet Service]

Clue, as I said before, it's obvious you do not understand what is happening or how this will play out.

Regards,

USA320Pilot

[post="285942"][/post]​

We've seen this movie before, we know "How it'll play out".

Pollack will make "Outraged" noises and urge you to "Remember we have X,XXX pilots on furlough" while he gives more mainline narrow body flying to the lowest bidder.

Hell, I don't even work here and I know how it'll "Play out"... :blink:

 

[LGA Fleet Service]

The new MEC will likely have 16 voting members with 12 from US Airways and 4 from America West.

[post="285850"][/post]​

God help the HP pilots if thats the case...

 

[ClueByFour]

Clue, as I said before, it's obvious you do not understand what is happening or how this will play out.

Regards,

USA320Pilot

[post="285942"][/post]​

What, no helpful arbitration decisions to throw out this time?

I'll go you one further: if you read Nicolau carefully and infer what happened to the Shuttle pilots when they thought that their Eastern experience meant anything in terms of career expectations, it should scare you a little bit.

Arbitration goes as above, and no more than $90/hr for inhouse -190 flying. Take it to the bank.

 

[USA320Pilot]

Clue:

I’m not going to go into an in-depth pilot merger seniority integration discussion with you on this message board, but once again your last post shows how little you know about what is really happening. I have direct access (and you do not) to the key principals and what you are “spoutingâ€￾ is clearly wrong. Let’s just leave it at that…

Regards,

USA320Pilot

 

[ClueByFour]

Clue:

I’m not going to go into an in-depth pilot merger seniority integration discussion with you on this message board, but once again your last post shows how little you know about what is really happening. I have direct access (and you do not) to the key principals and what you are “spoutingâ€￾ is clearly wrong. Let’s just leave it at that…

Regards,

USA320Pilot

[post="286001"][/post]​

You have access to a few members of the AAA MEC, with their agenda. Let's call a spade a spade.

It will be arbitrated. It will not go the way those MEC members want. Bank on it.

As an aside, "I know XXXX" does not even begin to refute what I've wrote. Come up with data or a hypothesis, back it up, or retract.

 

[USA320Pilot]

Clue:

Wrong again, but what is new? I suggest you talk with people like Phil Carey, Bob Kirsch, Kevin Berry, Ken Stravers, and Kevin Horner. As a disgruntled passenger with an obvious "ax to grind", you are truly clueless on this matter.

As I said before, I’m not going to discuss this issue in a public forum, which even you should be able to understand the reasons why, then again…

Regards,

USA320Pilot

P.S. By the way, there are clear risks involved for the America West pilot group with an arbitrated settlement and they know that in no uncertain terms. It's too bad that your disgruntled 59-year old hardliner source will not be able to enjoy the fruits of the merger.

 

[hp_fa]

Clue:

Wrong again, but what is new? I suggest you talk with people like Phil Carey, Bob Kirsch, Kevin Berry, Ken Stravers, and Kevin Horner. As a disgruntled passenger with an obvious "ax to grind", you are truly clueless on this matter.

As I said before, I’m not going to discuss this issue in a public forum, which even you should be able to understand the reasons why, then again…

Regards,

USA320Pilot

[post="286038"][/post]​

Why not? You seemingly either discuss everything in public or play the "I know something that you don't" game.

Do me a favor. Stay the hell away from Phoenix.