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[galleyguy4u2]

When checking in for my flight to HNL the other morning, there was a FA
telling his experience of working a flight EZE-DFW 22May on which Cathy
Lukensmeyer was a passenger traveling as an A10 confirmed space. She was apparently
traveling with another Union person named Kroyer and they were seated in seats
6 DG. They are reported to have been down to EZE to celebrate someone's
reconstructive surgery. Also on the flight was Leslie Mayo, Communications
Director for APFA who was seated in the Y cabin. Lukensmeyer's and Kroyer's drink of
choice that night was vodka on the rocks and they are reported to have
consumed many. They continually rang their call button demanding more drinks and
creating a disturbance on the flight. It was apparently so bad that Leslie
Mayo had to come forward to speak to them about their behavior. But Leslie is
reported to say that she wasn't surprised. When the passenger in 6B complained
the they hadn't received an amenity kit, a Y FA let it be known that
Lukensmeyer had come to the back carrying 2, one opened and on wrapped to present to
friends seated in the back. More service interruptions followed and then
Cathy, according to this witness came forward and demanded that the Purser
contact Gerald Arpey and corporate security to meet the flight. This is when Cathy
is reported to have asked to Purser of their name as was told that she could
obtain it from the NS. So Cathy grabbed for the Purser's name tag, but
apparently so intoxicated that she grabbed the Pursers jacket. She was then ordered
back to her seat. The call bells continued to ring and the two in 6DG were
asked to stop their behavior. They were warned by the Purser that she didn't
want to have to report them to their supervisors. With this, Cathy is reported
to have said that she didn't have a supervisor, that she didn't have to
answer to anybody. But told the Purser that Gerald Arpey was her supervisor and
that she wanted him to meet the flight. About 10 minutes later, Ms. Kroyer came
to the galley and demanded more alcohol, by then of course they had been cut
off. They were offered soft drinks, coffee, water but no booze. A bit later,
Lukensmeyer went to the lav. Came out and again demanded that Gerald Arpey,
DFW security and APFA meet the plane. Finally, the Captain was notified and
was asked for assistance on just what to do. It was decided that a level 2
(FAR 91.11) threat had been made by Lukensmeyer toward the Purser when the coat
was grabbed and that (FAR 121.575) an alcohol related disturbance also
occurred. I believe that this is a very true situation as I have now heard the same
story pretty much verbatim from 2 crew members on the flight that evening. I
know that reports were written and forwarded to many different depts within
the company for investigation. As a matter of fact, I found a copy of one of
them in my mail box. I also know that a copy of this report went to Tommie
Hutto-Blake. It is going to be interesting to see if she takes any action on
this matter. The ball is in her court to see.

Now for the problem if found guilty. Speculation is that AA will do nothing
to those involved as it will give AA an edge with the APFA administration next
time AA wants more from us. However, if allowed to get away with this a new
precedent will have been made in that any employee every disciplined "up to
and including termination" for abuse of travel privilege policy will be able
to sue AA for discrimination and in future no employee may ever be disciplined
again. Not a good precedent to make.

This was e-mailed to me....so don't shoot the messenger.

 

[TWAnr]

galleyguy4u2,

Please edit your post and delete the name of the author of the email you posted.

 

[FA Mikey]

After an investigation. If found to be true, they should be shown the door by APFA and AA. National officer or everyday union member. This type of behavior should never be or have to be tolerated.

Tommie can ask her to resign. But cannot remove her. It would be up to the membership to recall her if she wouldn't leave on her own.

 

[StraaightTaalk]

I agree. She should resign immediately, if this is indeed true.

 

[Wretched Wrench]

I agree. She should resign immediately, if this is indeed true.

[post="276755"][/post]​

The key words here are, "if this is indeed true."

As a mechanic, I often have to wait in the jetway to debrief the inbound cockpit crew on a called-in problem. I am often waiting in the company of airport police and AA security people, and get to hear very different accounts of in-flight incidents, from the cabin crew, the accused, and (most importantly) passengers without an ax to grind. It should be noted that the passenger witnesses are not able to get together to construct and coordinate their story. Unfortunately, disinterested witnesses, ie passengers, are usually in a hurry to get on their way, and few will stay behind as witnesses. But some will, apparently driven by a sense of justice and fairness, and often tell a different story.

Sadly, I have observed that the truth does not always come out right away.

 

[nbmcg01]

[I smell blood..The jackels are moving in for the kill. It seems there are many factions within the f/a group getting great joy over this report. This is so AA and so sad.



quote=Wretched Wrench,Jun 12 2005, 11:08 AM]
The key words here are, "if this is indeed true."

As a mechanic, I often have to wait in the jetway to debrief the inbound cockpit crew on a called-in problem. I am often waiting in the company of airport police and AA security people, and get to hear very different accounts of in-flight incidents, from the cabin crew, the accused, and (most importantly) passengers without an ax to grind. It should be noted that the passenger witnesses are not able to get together to construct and coordinate their story. Unfortunately, disinterested witnesses, ie passengers, are usually in a hurry to get on their way, and few will stay behind as witnesses. But some will, apparently driven by a sense of justice and fairness, and often tell a different story.

Sadly, I have observed that the truth does not always come out right away.

[post="276769"][/post]​

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[FA Mikey]

If it proves to be true. Cathy need to only look in the mirror to know who caused it.

I voted for her and the rest of the ticket. I thinks its a sad thing to see. Only worse if we over look it.

 

[StraaightTaalk]

nbmcg01,

This was first posted by a TWA person on this board. So, nbmcg01, if anybody is fanning the flames of this situation you characterize as "so AA and so sad," it is a TWA person. I would not have even known about this is if it had not been posted by galleyguy4you, and his/her attempts at stirring the pot.

So, nbmcg01, look in the mirror.

 

[galleyguy4u2]

nbmcg01,

This was first posted by a TWA person on this board. So, nbmcg01, if anybody is fanning the flames of this situation you characterize as "so AA and so sad," it is a TWA person. I would not have even known about this is if it had not been posted by galleyguy4you, and his/her attempts at stirring the pot.

So, nbmcg01, look in the mirror.

[post="276810"][/post]​

I was not trying to "stir the pot." This was e-mailed to me from a working AA f/a, who I happen to know. As I said don't shoot the messenger.

This apparently is not gossip and I guess we will all find out. I truly hope it is not true since I voted the THB slate. This was going to come out on this board whether I posted it or someone else. In fact it is already
posted on other sites by f/a's who were working.

 

[fliboi78]

If this is indeed not true then wouldn't the apfa croonies have posted a reply to this on the rumor mill? Unless it is so ridiculous that they feel it does not warrant a response. But still, this is a major accusation. I would think if it has taken this long to respond to something like this, then apfa is choosing its response very carefully and seems more and more likely that this is true. I hope it isn't.

 

[jimntx]

I would think if it has taken this long to respond to something like this, then apfa is choosing its response very carefully and seems more and more likely that this is true. I hope it isn't.

[post="276843"][/post]​

Using recent past history as a guide, it would seem that the lack of response is the APFA tried and true way of dealing with problems...

"If we say/do nothing, maybe no one will find out and the problem will go away. It's not like the membership much cares what we do anyway."

I have sent an email to THB inquiring as to the truth of the posting and what her course of action is to be, if true, and why the union has said nothing in defense of Ms. Lukensmeyer if it is not true.

 

[operaations]

When checking in for my flight to HNL the other morning, there was a FA
telling his experience of working a flight EZE-DFW 22May on which Cathy
Lukensmeyer was a passenger traveling as an A10 confirmed space. She was apparently
traveling with another Union person named Kroyer and they were seated in seats
6 DG. They are reported to have been down to EZE to celebrate someone's
reconstructive surgery. Also on the flight was Leslie Mayo, Communications
Director for APFA who was seated in the Y cabin. Lukensmeyer's and Kroyer's drink of
choice that night was vodka on the rocks and they are reported to have
consumed many. They continually rang their call button demanding more drinks and
creating a disturbance on the flight. It was apparently so bad that Leslie
Mayo had to come forward to speak to them about their behavior. But Leslie is
reported to say that she wasn't surprised. When the passenger in 6B complained
the they hadn't received an amenity kit, a Y FA let it be known that
Lukensmeyer had come to the back carrying 2, one opened and on wrapped to present to
friends seated in the back. More service interruptions followed and then
Cathy, according to this witness came forward and demanded that the Purser
contact Gerald Arpey and corporate security to meet the flight. This is when Cathy
is reported to have asked to Purser of their name as was told that she could
obtain it from the NS. So Cathy grabbed for the Purser's name tag, but
apparently so intoxicated that she grabbed the Pursers jacket. She was then ordered
back to her seat. The call bells continued to ring and the two in 6DG were
asked to stop their behavior. They were warned by the Purser that she didn't
want to have to report them to their supervisors. With this, Cathy is reported
to have said that she didn't have a supervisor, that she didn't have to
answer to anybody. But told the Purser that Gerald Arpey was her supervisor and
that she wanted him to meet the flight. About 10 minutes later, Ms. Kroyer came
to the galley and demanded more alcohol, by then of course they had been cut
off. They were offered soft drinks, coffee, water but no booze. A bit later,
Lukensmeyer went to the lav. Came out and again demanded that Gerald Arpey,
DFW security and APFA meet the plane. Finally, the Captain was notified and
was asked for assistance on just what to do. It was decided that a level 2
(FAR 91.11) threat had been made by Lukensmeyer toward the Purser when the coat
was grabbed and that (FAR 121.575) an alcohol related disturbance also
occurred. I believe that this is a very true situation as I have now heard the same
story pretty much verbatim from 2 crew members on the flight that evening. I
know that reports were written and forwarded to many different depts within
the company for investigation. As a matter of fact, I found a copy of one of
them in my mail box. I also know that a copy of this report went to Tommie
Hutto-Blake. It is going to be interesting to see if she takes any action on
this matter. The ball is in her court to see.

Now for the problem if found guilty. Speculation is that AA will do nothing
to those involved as it will give AA an edge with the APFA administration next
time AA wants more from us. However, if allowed to get away with this a new
precedent will have been made in that any employee every disciplined "up to
and including termination" for abuse of travel privilege policy will be able
to sue AA for discrimination and in future no employee may ever be disciplined
again. Not a good precedent to make.

This was e-mailed to me....so don't shoot the messenger.

[post="276732"][/post]​

they should be fired. No warnings no suspension nothing that type of behavior was not called for.

 

[operaations]

they should be fired. No warnings no suspension nothing that type of behavior was not called for.

[post="276875"][/post]​

It is all speculation until we hear it from the purser. Other than that is is pure hearsay. But I predict if it is tru the APFA and the Company will sweep it under the rug. Not fair to the flight attendants that were working that flight...the passengers who paid good omney to be on that flight and to all of the people at AA.

I truly hope this is just a rumor and if it is the person who started should be ashamed

 

[TWskyliner]

nbmcg01,

This was first posted by a TWA person on this board. So, nbmcg01, if anybody is fanning the flames of this situation you characterize as "so AA and so sad," it is a TWA person.  I would not have even known about this is if it had not been posted by galleyguy4you, and his/her attempts at stirring the pot.

So, nbmcg01, look in the mirror.

[post="276810"][/post]​

I thought that we were ALL AA. I've certainly always felt that... 🙄

 

[StraaightTaalk]

I thought that we were ALL AA. I've certainly always felt that... 🙄

[post="276931"][/post]​

Then why isn't your name "AASkyliner?" 🙄