Flight Attendant Weekend Obligation/Restrictions EAST

[PHX-F/A]

Can someone explain what you can about the "weekend restriction" rule?

Parker wants the WEST to adopt the EAST contract, and a lot of people are buzzing about Weekend Restriction without knowing the full details.

 

[LCC_#1]

Can someone explain what you can about the "weekend restriction" rule?

Parker wants the WEST to adopt the EAST contract, and a lot of people are buzzing about Weekend Restriction without knowing the full details.

Do NOT...PLEASE...Do NOT let this happen!!! I beg you guys!!

This is how it goes down:

If you are scheduled to work weekends after SAP rewards are out (see bottom), you have to WORK weekends, even if you can improve off a weekend trip. BTW, You can drop your trip on the ETB to get off working weekends.

i.e. I am scheduled to work a 4 day trip Th-Sun. If I improve off that trip to say a 3 day over wed-Fri, the company holds you responible for working Sat. and Sun. They will put you on the list and assign you a trip if you do not leave a list of what you want to fly..REMINDER: You are only responsible for flying on the weekend days you are actually working.

We bid for what we call primary lines two months in advance. Right now we are bidding for February lines. After those are rewarded, we do what is called SAP (Schedule Adjustment Period)where we can drop trips we do not want down to 65 hours and increase to 90. This give the first chance to get rid of weekend trips if you don't want them.

After SAP awards are posted, thats what you have. If you are working the weekend, you can only get rid of those trips by using the ETB.

Secondary line bidding then starts where lines are built around open time. The company leaves 20% of open time for what we call the AIL (availabilty list), which gives one flexibility to pick up and drop trips on a day to day basis. Secondary lines are what they are. If you are rewarded a weekend secondary line, you are responsible for flying whatever day of the weekend it touches.

Then reserve line bidding comes out.

If you are a junior lineholder it is hard to get all weekends off. The reserves have started having the weekends off more now because we HAVE to work the weekends.

This is crazy. If I can improve to not work the weekend, I should be able to do so. But somewhere alone the way, the company thought we were short on the weekends. Now it is the opposite. It use to be the weekend trips were for the taking. You could get some sweet trips on the weekends. Forget it!! This system has but the junior f/a blockholders (for us 17-19 years) in a even worse position. Now the only way to get any good trips is off the ETB, which is pay NO credit. And then its hard to pick up because we most junior are stuck with difficult 4 day trips to try to drop.

Anyway, its a mess!! DON'T DO IT!! FIGHT IT TOOTH AND NAIL!!! :censored:

 

[UWCactus]

Can someone explain what you can about the "weekend restriction" rule?

Parker wants the WEST to adopt the EAST contract, and a lot of people are buzzing about Weekend Restriction without knowing the full details.

I dont' recall ever hearing that Parker wanted to the "adopt the East contract". A single contract is a combined agreement, elements of both contracts put into one as I understand it.

 

[proudf/a]

Can someone explain what you can about the "weekend restriction" rule?

Parker wants the WEST to adopt the EAST contract, and a lot of people are buzzing about Weekend Restriction without knowing the full details.

DONT DO IT!!! WE WERE HOPING TO GET RID OF THAT, DOESN'T SOUND LIKE THAT WILL BE AN OPTION.

 

[PITbull]

I dont' recall ever hearing that Parker wanted to the "adopt the East contract". A single contract is a combined agreement, elements of both contracts put into one as I understand it.

UW,

You won't hear it from Doug unless you are in the negotiations. What I'm hearing is the opposite...he wants a neutral cost agreement and wants West f/a contract to "roll over" into the U-East contract until amendable date of 2012.

Pickets signs need to go up everywhere.

 

[jec9]

Pickets signs need to go up everywhere.

Starting friday!
http://www.afa66.org/publicawareness.htm

 

[Bambi]

Starting friday!
http://www.afa66.org/publicawareness.htm

STOP! I empathize completely with your gripes on all of this....but picketing? this friday? causing any type of flight interruptions over the holidays does nothing to corporate people! IT WILL NOT AFFECT THEM! It's all of us in rez who end up having to answer the phones, work SRD, reaccom due to cxld flight because no crew showed up...WE ARE THE ONE'S WHO SUFFER...YOUR FELLOW EMPLOYEES....

MAKE YOUR POINT...BUT NOT OVER XMAS...PLEASE... many of us last year due to the baggage issues worked 170 hours in 2 weeks because of all the crap. We would really like to have a "normal" holiday season..(and some time with our families ourselves this year)..if there are wx issues..ok..we'll deal with that...but having to deal with stuff bcz of our own employees at this time of year really isn't fair to us.

BELIEVE ME...DP will be at home with his family...other execs same...REZ will be working overtime on SRD and reaccoms bcz of this. Picketing i do support...plz dont have a sickout..(i remember a few years ago when that happened too) at this time anyway...

this is the only part of unions i dont appreciate bcz one work group has issues and its the others who suffer. dont misunderstand...i support your issues...just think about those of us who have to deal with things...bcz of the "timing" of the protest. thats all...again it wont affect DP or his staff at all...thx all

 

[justajim67]

Do NOT...PLEASE...Do NOT let this happen!!! I beg you guys!!

This is how it goes down:

If you are scheduled to work weekends after SAP rewards are out (see bottom), you have to WORK weekends, even if you can improve off a weekend trip. BTW, You can drop your trip on the ETB to get off working weekends.

i.e. I am scheduled to work a 4 day trip Th-Sun. If I improve off that trip to say a 3 day over wed-Fri, the company holds you responible for working Sat. and Sun. They will put you on the list and assign you a trip if you do not leave a list of what you want to fly..REMINDER: You are only responsible for flying on the weekend days you are actually working.

We bid for what we call primary lines two months in advance. Right now we are bidding for February lines. After those are rewarded, we do what is called SAP (Schedule Adjustment Period)where we can drop trips we do not want down to 65 hours and increase to 90. This give the first chance to get rid of weekend trips if you don't want them.

After SAP awards are posted, thats what you have. If you are working the weekend, you can only get rid of those trips by using the ETB.

Secondary line bidding then starts where lines are built around open time. The company leaves 20% of open time for what we call the AIL (availabilty list), which gives one flexibility to pick up and drop trips on a day to day basis. Secondary lines are what they are. If you are rewarded a weekend secondary line, you are responsible for flying whatever day of the weekend it touches.

Then reserve line bidding comes out.

If you are a junior lineholder it is hard to get all weekends off. The reserves have started having the weekends off more now because we HAVE to work the weekends.

This is crazy. If I can improve to not work the weekend, I should be able to do so. But somewhere alone the way, the company thought we were short on the weekends. Now it is the opposite. It use to be the weekend trips were for the taking. You could get some sweet trips on the weekends. Forget it!! This system has but the junior f/a blockholders (for us 17-19 years) in a even worse position. Now the only way to get any good trips is off the ETB, which is pay NO credit. And then its hard to pick up because we most junior are stuck with difficult 4 day trips to try to drop.

Anyway, its a mess!! DON'T DO IT!! FIGHT IT TOOTH AND NAIL!!! :censored:

 

[Twicebaked]

I have heard the complete opposite. He does NOT want anything to do with our system. It is way to costly to the company. We have way to many reserves and way to much open time. Our system sucks!!!

 

[B737 MECHANIC]

STOP! I empathize completely with your gripes on all of this....but picketing? this friday? causing any type of flight interruptions over the holidays does nothing to corporate people! IT WILL NOT AFFECT THEM! It's all of us in rez who end up having to answer the phones, work SRD, reaccom due to cxld flight because no crew showed up...WE ARE THE ONE'S WHO SUFFER...YOUR FELLOW EMPLOYEES....

MAKE YOUR POINT...BUT NOT OVER XMAS...PLEASE... many of us last year due to the baggage issues worked 170 hours in 2 weeks because of all the crap. We would really like to have a "normal" holiday season..(and some time with our families ourselves this year)..if there are wx issues..ok..we'll deal with that...but having to deal with stuff bcz of our own employees at this time of year really isn't fair to us.


BELIEVE ME...DP will be at home with his family...other execs same...REZ will be working overtime on SRD and reaccoms bcz of this. Picketing i do support...plz dont have a sickout..(i remember a few years ago when that happened too) at this time anyway...

this is the only part of unions i dont appreciate bcz one work group has issues and its the others who suffer. dont misunderstand...i support your issues...just think about those of us who have to deal with things...bcz of the "timing" of the protest. thats all...again it wont affect DP or his staff at all...thx all

deal with it who said life is fair

 

[Bambi]

deal with it who said life is fair
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I never said it was fair. Just unfair to other employees that have to deal with the craziness like we did last year and a few years ago when they had a sickout. As I stated, it doesn't affect corporate...only other employees and of course, it affects the bottom line of the airline and the reputation of the airline. When that is affected, how can we expect to be profitable and earn the $ we all so dearly want and need when pax get fedup and say adios. That's all. If it happens...believe me...I will deal with it...always have, always will.

 

[SKY HIGH]

STOP! I empathize completely with your gripes on all of this....but picketing? this friday? causing any type of flight interruptions over the holidays does nothing to corporate people!

SKY HIGH states: Uhhh, did YOU actually READ WHAT AFA planned?....mailing Dougie, leafets and "informational" picketing. I DIDNT SEE FLIGHT DISRUPTIONS.
andddddddddd, I DONT SEE DOUGIE BUILDING LOYALTY with the flight attendant GROUP either. That's several THOUSAND EMPLOYEES tired of the mantra-----we value you, but in
reality, they want US Flight Attendants to have one of the WORST CONTRACTS in the industry.

WE HAVE GIVEN ENOUGH!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[NewHampshire Black Bears]

STOP! I empathize completely with your gripes on all of this....but picketing? this friday? causing any type of flight interruptions over the holidays does nothing to corporate people! IT WILL NOT AFFECT THEM! It's all of us in rez who end up having to answer the phones, work SRD, reaccom due to cxld flight because no crew showed up...WE ARE THE ONE'S WHO SUFFER...YOUR FELLOW EMPLOYEES....

MAKE YOUR POINT...BUT NOT OVER XMAS...PLEASE... many of us last year due to the baggage issues worked 170 hours in 2 weeks because of all the crap. We would really like to have a "normal" holiday season..(and some time with our families ourselves this year)..if there are wx issues..ok..we'll deal with that...but having to deal with stuff bcz of our own employees at this time of year really isn't fair to us.

BELIEVE ME...DP will be at home with his family...other execs same...REZ will be working overtime on SRD and reaccoms bcz of this. Picketing i do support...plz dont have a sickout..(i remember a few years ago when that happened too) at this time anyway...

this is the only part of unions i dont appreciate bcz one work group has issues and its the others who suffer. dont misunderstand...i support your issues...just think about those of us who have to deal with things...bcz of the "timing" of the protest. thats all...again it wont affect DP or his staff at all...thx all

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Bambi,
I've got a great Idea.

YOU call In SICK !!!!!!!!!!!!

(Just make sure It's "1" occurance, for "3" days.

Then go to the emergency room to get a dated "note".

NH/BB's

ps,
The company PAYS for the hospital/doctors visit !!!!!

 

[usflyguy]

just remember, once u give something up..u never get it back. the whole weekend trip thing is the pits and dont even get me started on the reserve system!!!!! it will put u in the poor house and is terrible for moral. i have 14yrs and have had to go sit opr at 5am, while people with 5yrs get real trips...its sad!!!!!!! the system is broken!!!! :angry: . havent broken guarantee in 4mos :down:

 

[Dea Certe]

Are any reserves breaking guarantee?

Dea