Gay Marriage

[delldude]

 
My church does not judge based on what you might find "offensive".  My church accepts.  Regardless of age, race, sexual orientation...you name it.  
 
The tenet of my faith is that there is one God and that spirit resides in all of us.  Because of that, we are all inherently good.   We believe that this God has more important things to do than keep tabs on all the bad stuff we are doing here so he can condemn us to a life in hell.  
 
This church, unlike any I have been a part of, does not push the tithing thing.  They take an offering and they are thankful for it.   If a gay person wants to put money in the collection plate, they will take it and they will thank him and they will love him.  And they will not condemn him.  

 
When then did He bother having the scriptures reflect negatively against homosexuality??
 
So your church only deals with the parts of scripture that they feel comfortable with?

 

[Force Majeure]

I have found that most churches will do and say (to their majority followers) whatever it takes to keep the collection plates full. Sad but true. How many people will go to, and donate money to, a church that preaches things they do not agree with morally or ethically?

By the way, you up chatting with Santa eating cookies at 3:00 am? He's got work to do!

 

[Ms Tree]

Ms Tree

I keep hearing you say that what people do in the privacy of their own lives is their own business.

The problem is of course that gays do not keep their private life private. They "advertise" the gay lifestyle every chance they get.

Stop telling me it is none of my business when the gay population makes such a point of making "the gay lifestyle" a public display. If they are going to make something so public they should expect the public to get involved. If you wish to air your opinions you should expect others to air theirs without a terrorist group like GLAAD getting involved because gays did not like what was said.

Hollywood has turned being gay into a stereotype. It is a media attempt to "brand" being gay. It is an attempt to "market" homosexuality.

You say I have no right to interfere with others rights.

What about my right not to be flooded by a left leaning media with homosexuality every time I leave my home?

You keep bringing up religious zealots.

You try to infer that no other groups have issues with homosexuality.

I myself am not overly religious (I do believe in God). I usually make decisions based on logical analysis of available information. In my view homosexuality is wrong because it is very obvious and very factual that sexual contact between a man and a woman produce a baby. This is a truth that cannot be denied, not even by a liberal. When you couple two of the same sex it goes against nature’s very design.

Are you trying to convince me to deny a logical truth based on your fantasy land wants? Have you considered the implications for our society by altering the foundation on which families have been built for thousands of years? Do you seriously believe that when you change the family dynamic that there will be no consequences? Look at our society today. Look at the crime rate. Do you not think broken homes have anything to do with that?

Just remember, the family unit is the basic building block of a society, once you tear that down expect a domino effect. We are already seeing the effects of that with the rising divorce rate.

You are a fool following fools down a path of self destruction. If you want to destroy yourself that is your business but I will be damned if I am going to sit silently while I pay the price for your stupidity.

 
 
How are gays advertising in a manner that Heteros are not?  How does one gain equality without putting ones self in the lime light?
 
Then turn the channel or walk away.  No one is forcing you to be gay or to agree with it.  All that is being sough is equal rights.  The KKK has a right to speak out and assemble.  That does not mean that you or I have to agree with them.  The two concepts are completely and utterly separate.
 
Procreation has nothing to do with marriage or the right to marry.  My wife and I never had children.  There are toms of women who have had children out of wedlock.  Marriage is not a requirement to procreate and procreation of the species predates marriage.
 
I am not asking you to deny your truth at all.  Merely to allow others to live by their logical truths that may be different from yours.
 
You are talking about a foundation (traditional marriage I assume) that does not exist, at least not for thousands of years.  Women have been treat as a commodity for far longer than they have had equal rights, especially in this country.   Suffrage was only granted in 1920.  Women were not permitted to own property.  They were used to build alliances in arraigned marriages.  Marriage out of love is something that is quite new and not 'traditional'.  The idea of marriage has changed dramatically and will continue to change.
 
Currently in the US marriage at the civil level is a contract between two people.  Procreation or religion has nothing to do with it.  I got married by a KP at a B&B in south Texas.  No religious entity was involved.  It is recognized by the state of Texas and the US Fed as legal.  If you get married in a church with out a licence, that marriage has no validity out side of that church.
 
Whether people are allowed to marry or not will not change the family dynamic in any way.  Gays are living together, inter-racial coup;es are living together.  My wife and I were living together for two years before we got married.  Nothing changed other than our legal rights.  And even if things do change, we as a society will need to deal with the changes.  The COTUS does not give us the right to deny equality because we are scared of the possibilities.
 
You are worried about the building block of society yet you have not mentioned the idea of banning divorce once.  The divorce rate is over 50% and is far more damaging to the 'building block' than a few gays getting married.
 
Sit, stand, stomp your feet.  The train has left the station.  Eighteen states recognize same sex marriage, only a matter of time before the SCOTUS makes it official.  
 
Every time you use say something like GLAAD and terrorist you demean the death of 3,000 plus people on 9/11 who were killed by real terrorists.  GLAAD is no more a terrorist group than the Moral Majority was.
 
One other thing I forgot to mention.  Freedom of speech.  It's in the COTUS.  Nothing in there about you having to like what someone is saying.

 

[delldude]

3000 on 911 were all gay?
 
I didn't know that.
 
Wouldn't glaad be a social terrorist group?

 

[Ms Tree]

Utah ranks 47th in teenage pregnancy, lowest in percentage of births out of wedlock, lowest in number of abortions per capita, and lowest in percentage of teen pregnancies terminated in abortion........I guess they are doing something right.  Of course somehow the left will consider those bad qualities.

Vermont, New Hampshire, Massachusetts, Vermont and Maine all have lower teen birth rates and currently allow same sex marriage.
 
Same sex marriage 
 
Teen Birth rates 2008
 
Teen Pregnancy
 
So what is it that UT is doing right?  What is it that the states I listed above are doing better?
 
Teen pregnancy by country
 
What is it that nearly every other western country in the world is doing that is soooooo much better than what we are doing?
 
By the way, Netherlands, Canada, Spain, Norway, Sweden, Portugal, Denmark and France all allow same sex marriage.  Perhaps we should follow their lead?  Nah, I'm sure the right will somehow consider those bad qualities. 

 

[southwind]

Why do people like you insist the U.S. be more like Europe? Again, if you like Europe's laws and the way they tap into private citizens 401K's (because we all know government can run your life better than yourself)..........move there !
 
And "MERRY CHRISTMAS"..........Tree!

 

[KCFlyer]

 
When then did He bother having the scriptures reflect negatively against homosexuality??
 
So your church only deals with the parts of scripture that they feel comfortable with?

How can you be so sure that those scriptures were the same ones that God wrote with his hand and not the interpretation/opinion of one of the many men who rewrote them?  

 

[southwind]

How can you be so sure that those scriptures were the same ones that God wrote with his hand and not the interpretation/opinion of one of the many men who rewrote them?  

How can you be sure sure they were not?

 

[KCFlyer]

How can you be sure sure they were not?

 
I can't.  But they DID write that you shouldn't cut your hair, eat pork, or work on the sabbath.  Do you do any of those?  How do you know God wasn't serious when he wrote that? 

 

[Ms Tree]

Why do people like you insist the U.S. be more like Europe? Again, if you like Europe's laws and the way they tap into private citizens 401K's (because we all know government can run your life better than yourself)..........move there !
 
And "MERRY CHRISTMAS"..........Tree!

Never said we had to be like them. Just pointed out that they have teen pregnancy rates far lower than the US. Is that good or bad? Are you proud of the fact that our pregnancy rate is so high? Is everything a different country inferior to what the US does or might we be able to learn something from someone else every now and then?

Happy holidays to you and yours.

 

[Ms Tree]

I can't.  But they DID write that you shouldn't cut your hair, eat pork, or work on the sabbath.  Do you do any of those?  How do you know God wasn't serious when he wrote that?

New Testament. Bible v1.1 supersedes v1.0. Lol.

 

[737823]

An open letter to those who disapprove of homosexuality:

I respect you. I respect your opinion, although it differs from mine. I have listened to, digested, and have decided to thoughtfully respond to your arguments. I truly hope you do the same. If you choose to read this, proceed to think critically, and ultimately decide that you maintain your current opinion, I will respect that. Not everyone can agree, and I accept that as well. But I will try my absolute hardest to help you see homophobia through my perspective. I am simply attempting to write my personal opinion as plainly as I can, hoping that you can understand. I sincerely hope that this does not offend or insult anyone. As I write, I will use the word homophobia with no intention of hidden connotation. To me, it means the general opinion that does not approve of homosexuality. And I ask as earnestly as I can: please think critically. I beg that you do not simply disagree above the surface. Ask questions, dig deeper. Make sure of what you believe.

http://www.outsports.com/2013/10/28/5023456/gay-college-soccer-player-jesse-klug-bucknell-essay-coming-out

Josh

 

[delldude]

Fresh off his recent "Person of the Year" title, Pope Francis, yet again, returns to Time in an article alleging he expressed "shock" to a proposal allowing gay couples to adopt children according to Bishop Charles Scicluna of Malta.
 
Scicluna told the Malta Sunday Times the Pontiff encouraged him to "speak out" about the issue during a discussion the two had on December 12.
 
Evidence of Pope Francis' aversion toward homosexual marriage and adoption has been well-documented, which makes it unclear why gay magazine The Advocate labeled him "Person of the Year" along with Time.
 
In 2010, Pope Francis called gay adoption a "discrimination against children" and even called gay marriage "the work of the devil" after striking a compromise on Civil-Unions in Argentina.

 

[KCFlyer]

Fresh off his recent "Person of the Year" title, Pope Francis, yet again, returns to Time in an article alleging he expressed "shock" to a proposal allowing gay couples to adopt children according to Bishop Charles Scicluna of Malta.
 
Scicluna told the Malta Sunday Times the Pontiff encouraged him to "speak out" about the issue during a discussion the two had on December 12.
 
Evidence of Pope Francis' aversion toward homosexual marriage and adoption has been well-documented, which makes it unclear why gay magazine The Advocate labeled him "Person of the Year" along with Time.
 
In 2010, Pope Francis called gay adoption a "discrimination against children" and even called gay marriage "the work of the devil" after striking a compromise on Civil-Unions in Argentina.

 
All the more reason I'm fallen away.  You have to remember that for Catholics, any sexual release that is not with the intent of creating life is a sin.  Recreational sex will damn you to hell.  But...they are ever so forgiving...those women who abort potential children by taking a birth control pill every morning are welcomed at communion.  

 

[delldude]

 
All the more reason I'm fallen away.  You have to remember that for Catholics, any sexual release that is not with the intent of creating life is a sin.  Recreational sex will damn you to hell.  But...they are ever so forgiving...those women who abort potential children by taking a birth control pill every morning are welcomed at communion.  

 
Quite true but they still take issue with Obama crapping on the Catholic Church.