Gay Marriage

[KCFlyer]

 
Quite true but they still take issue with Obama crapping on the Catholic Church.

 
The Catholic Church needs to put in an employment agreement that anyone working for one of their institutions shall not sin by using birth control.  And then fire those that do.  

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

 
The Catholic Church needs to put in an employment agreement that anyone working for one of their institutions shall not sin by using birth control.  And then fire those that do.  

Fair enough.
 
Now let's talk about women who purposely have one baby after another so they can get a check from the government. This is obvious abuse. Can we fire them from social programs?
 
You go first.

 

[KCFlyer]

I don't know many women who purposely pump out kids, or have them with the explicit intent of getting a bigger check from the government.  Do you know any?  Not stories about them...do you know any?  I do know women  (and men) who don't have a lot of money, but find that sex is pretty cheap entertainment at that moment in time.  Somotimes they get pregnant.  But the reason for becoming pregnant certainly wasn't to get more government money.
 
Can I ask you another question....should we pull government support for poor Catholics who are living the Catholic lifestyle and not using birth control, but have had the rhythm method fail on then 5 times, resulting in 5 kids and food stamps?  

 

[Ms Tree]

I don't know many women who purposely pump out kids, or have them with the explicit intent of getting a bigger check from the government.  Do you know any?  Not stories about them...do you know any?  I do know women  (and men) who don't have a lot of money, but find that sex is pretty cheap entertainment at that moment in time.  Somotimes they get pregnant.  But the reason for becoming pregnant certainly wasn't to get more government money.
 
Can I ask you another question....should we pull government support for poor Catholics who are living the Catholic lifestyle and not using birth control, but have had the rhythm method fail on then 5 times, resulting in 5 kids and food stamps?  

Notice that he makes no mention of what to do with the kids them selves after their parents are cut off nor offer any solution to prevent the births in the first place such as birth control and sex education.  It's the conservative way, jump first and then see if there is water in the pool.

 

[KCFlyer]

Notice that he makes no mention of what to do with the kids them selves after their parents are cut off nor offer any solution to prevent the births in the first place such as birth control and sex education.  It's the conservative way, jump first and then see if there is water in the pool.

Yes,...those same people will consider that fetus in the womb of the baby making, teat sucking, food stamp using, bump up the government payouts woman to be sacred.  Save that baby's life...don't allow the mom the option to abort it (wrong or right...I personally think it's wrong but I don't support banning her right to do so).   Then....once that fetus is born into this world....screw them.  Your mama just pumped you out to get more welfare money.

 

[xUT]

Yes,...those same people will consider that fetus in the womb of the baby making, teat sucking, food stamp using, bump up the government payouts woman to be sacred.  Save that baby's life...don't allow the mom the option to abort it (wrong or right...I personally think it's wrong but I don't support banning her right to do so).   Then....once that fetus is born into this world....screw them.  Your mama just pumped you out to get more welfare money.

 
Think about it KC,
Abortion should not be a birth control method.
Sure, kids make mistakes, adults shouldn't but still make bad choices.
Thousands of people would be very happy to adopt and many go to great lengths to do so.
Many options besides 'the quick kill' and on to the next.
'If I am preggers, I'll just kill it'... That's nuts...IMHO
 
So sad that life is not considered precious.
Religion aside.
B) xUT

 

[Ms Tree]

Agreed for the most part. However last time I checked there is not a shortage of children waiting to be adopted. That may have changed recently, not sure.

The thing for me is that while I am not a fan of abortion I am a fan of the right to choose (liberty) and Im also a fan of free contdaceptives and sex ed in schools. Id like to try and prevent the pregnancies in the first place. Something the religious right seems unwilling to do. Nust say no did not work for drugs and it has been proven time and time again that it does not work for sex.

I think the sanctity of life argument looses steam when there is no initiate to prevent the pregnancy.

 

[Dog Wonder]

Fair enough.
 
Now let's talk about women who purposely have one baby after another so they can get a check from the government. This is obvious abuse. Can we fire them from social programs?
 
You go first.

Homosexuals are terrorists. Heterosexuals are pumping out babies for welfare. What is left for you?

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

I don't know many women who purposely pump out kids, or have them with the explicit intent of getting a bigger check from the government.  Do you know any?  Not stories about them...do you know any?  I do know women  (and men) who don't have a lot of money, but find that sex is pretty cheap entertainment at that moment in time.  Somotimes they get pregnant.  But the reason for becoming pregnant certainly wasn't to get more government money.
 
Can I ask you another question....should we pull government support for poor Catholics who are living the Catholic lifestyle and not using birth control, but have had the rhythm method fail on then 5 times, resulting in 5 kids and food stamps?  

Of course it is cheap. They are having the taxpayers pick up the bill.
 
There is no excuse for having seven kids by seven fathers, being pregnant with number eight, and having no job or any ambition to be self sustaining. I guess in a liberals mind that is OK. They made Nadya Suleman famous for it.
 
Having babies should not be a government job.
 
As far as your last question. I do not support anyone having kids they can not support. i will say there is a flaw in your logic. There is a big difference between an employed husband and a wife in a stable marriage having children and an unemployed woman that has several kids by several men.

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

Homosexuals are terrorists. Heterosexuals are pumping out babies for welfare. What is left for you?

Wow you broke the one sentence barrier. Good for you.

 

[Dog Wonder]

Answer the question. If heterosexuals and homosexuals are evil, what are you?

 

[KCFlyer]

Of course it is cheap. They are having the taxpayers pick up the bill.
 
There is no excuse for having seven kids by seven fathers, being pregnant with number eight, and having no job or any ambition to be self sustaining. I guess in a liberals mind that is OK. They made Nadya Suleman famous for it.
 
Having babies should not be a government job.
 
As far as your last question. I do not support anyone having kids they can not support. i will say there is a flaw in your logic. There is a big difference between an employed husband and a wife in a stable marriage having children and an unemployed woman that has several kids by several men.

 
Read it again la....I said that having sex is a very cheap form of entertainment at that particualr moment in time.  Yes, they didn't run a net worth statement to determine if the consequences of that moment of pleasure would be more than they could handle.  But I don't know many folks who DO run that statement.  Indeed, there are millions more responsible couples who make the decision to bring a child into the world and have sex with that purpose in mind.  But I would submit that there are far MORE who engaged in sex without considering the potential results...they just succumbed to the moment.  Perhaps you might have even done that a time or two.  But again - I don't know of anyone who "pumps out babies" solely because they can get a bigger government check

 

[KCFlyer]

 
Think about it KC,
Abortion should not be a birth control method.
Sure, kids make mistakes, adults shouldn't but still make bad choices.
Thousands of people would be very happy to adopt and many go to great lengths to do so.
Many options besides 'the quick kill' and on to the next.
'If I am preggers, I'll just kill it'... That's nuts...IMHO
 
So sad that life is not considered precious.
Religion aside.
B) xUT

 
Here's my problem X...I agree that abortion should not be used as a form of birth control.  There are too many other ways to prevent a pregnancy.  I might even support banning abortions for the purpose of birth control.  The problem is - the abortion opponents aren't happy to stop there, and I would submit to you that there are times when it is the HUMANE thing to do.  I know. 
 
Back in the early 90's, my wife and I were ready to start a family.  We were having some troubles, but just before I had to go get checked for my virility - the miracle happened.  We were excited.  That life that was growing inside my wife was indeed precious.  Then something unexpected occurred...we discovered that this child had something called "anencephaly".  That is - the brain had failed to form.  The fetus could live so long as it was in my wifes body.  But once born - it was dead.  The medical journals (God Bless their souls) referred to these as "monsters".   My wife was devastated by that news.  We made a decision to end the pregnancy.  But we couldn't have done that if we banned all abortions.  Trust me - that life that she was carrying was wanted.  IT was precious.  It still is.  But the issue isn't black and white - and I just can't bring myself to view it that way. 

 

[whatkindoffreshhell]

All of us would do well to heed the simple words of Pope Francis "be kind to one another"
 
Homosexuality is not natural.  It is a deviation from the normal rule of nature.  All life is hard-wired to procreate otherwise the species would become extinct. 
 
I don't have a problem with homosexuality (we all have different tastes in the bedroom) but why the insistence on using every opportunity to publicly identify themselves as homosexual?  I don't preface every comment by proclaiming myself as 'the heterosexual airlineforums poster' nor do I expect entitlement payments from society because of my personal tastes.
 
Responsibility and obligation for one's choices.  And yes, I am Catholic.  Now off to Mass.

 

[KCFlyer]

All of us would do well to heed the simple words of Pope Francis "be kind to one another"
 
Homosexuality is not natural.  It is a deviation from the normal rule of nature.  All life is hard-wired to procreate otherwise the species would become extinct. 
 
I don't have a problem with homosexuality (we all have different tastes in the bedroom) but why the insistence on using every opportunity to publicly identify themselves as homosexual?  I don't preface every comment by proclaiming myself as 'the heterosexual airlineforums poster' nor do I expect entitlement payments from society because of my personal tastes.
 
Responsibility and obligation for one's choices.  And yes, I am Catholic.  Now off to Mass.

I don't see homosexuals expecting entitlement payments.  They would just like the same benefits that a woman or man would receive on the death of their spouse...even if they thought they would live forever and didn't draw up legal documents...if someone dies intestate, 99% of the time the SPOUSE gets the estate.   Recently a highway patrolman (gay) was killed in the line of duty.  Had he been "married" his "spouse" would have received the death benefit.  But he couldn't get married to the person he wanted to marry in my state because that person happened to be the same sex.  
 
I'm not a homosexual...but it really doesn't bother me if two men or two women want to get married.  God knows their might even be more love in those marriages than there is in heterosexual marriages.  But for some reason we don't allow those because we find what they do in the bedroom to be abhorrent....even though many men have their female wife perform oral sex and allow them to have anal sex with them.  Which is pretty much the same abhorrent behaviour.