Gay Marriage

[xUT]

 
Here's my problem X...I agree that abortion should not be used as a form of birth control.  There are too many other ways to prevent a pregnancy.  I might even support banning abortions for the purpose of birth control.  The problem is - the abortion opponents aren't happy to stop there, and I would submit to you that there are times when it is the HUMANE thing to do.  I know. 
 
Back in the early 90's, my wife and I were ready to start a family.  We were having some troubles, but just before I had to go get checked for my virility - the miracle happened.  We were excited.  That life that was growing inside my wife was indeed precious.  Then something unexpected occurred...we discovered that this child had something called "anencephaly".  That is - the brain had failed to form.  The fetus could live so long as it was in my wifes body.  But once born - it was dead.  The medical journals (God Bless their souls) referred to these as "monsters".   My wife was devastated by that news.  We made a decision to end the pregnancy.  But we couldn't have done that if we banned all abortions.  Trust me - that life that she was carrying was wanted.  IT was precious.  It still is.  But the issue isn't black and white - and I just can't bring myself to view it that way. 

 
Hey KC,
I remember that from posts past and my heart goes out to you. IMHO, you did the best you could under the situation.
As I stated before, I agree that there has to be special circumstances. It isn't black and white.
Our laws are typically cast as black and white; and therein lies the problem. Common sense should prevail, but haven't seen much of that lately.
Like I stated, it just shouldn't be used as a method of birth control.
Yes, there are the 'it's my body and I'll do what I want crowd' but there are numerous laws that keep people from doing what they 'want'.
 
AnyWho,
Take Care,
B) xUT

 

[Ms Tree]

All of us would do well to heed the simple words of Pope Francis "be kind to one another"
 
Homosexuality is not natural.  It is a deviation from the normal rule of nature.  All life is hard-wired to procreate otherwise the species would become extinct. 
 
I don't have a problem with homosexuality (we all have different tastes in the bedroom) but why the insistence on using every opportunity to publicly identify themselves as homosexual?  I don't preface every comment by proclaiming myself as 'the heterosexual airlineforums poster' nor do I expect entitlement payments from society because of my personal tastes.
 
Responsibility and obligation for one's choices.  And yes, I am Catholic.  Now off to Mass.

Being "kind" does not pay the bills. Equality is where it's at. Eighteen states and counting.

Not natural and yet people are born that way. Go figure.

It is kind of hard to fight for equality with out telling people what you are fighting for.

When did you choose to be straight and you realize if you say you chose to be straight that means you were looking a being gay ad figured " nah, not for me". It means that being gay was an option for you. I know I never choose and I have yet to speak to any homosexual who has said they chose their orientation.

 

[Ms Tree]

Hey KC,
I remember that from posts past and my heart goes out to you. IMHO, you did the best you could under the situation.
As I stated before, I agree that there has to be special circumstances. It isn't black and white.
Our laws are typically cast as black and white; and therein lies the problem. Common sense should prevail, but haven't seen much of that lately.
Like I stated, it just shouldn't be used as a method of birth control.
Yes, there are the 'it's my body and I'll do what I want crowd' but there are numerous laws that keep people from doing what they 'want'.
 
AnyWho,
Take Care,
B) xUT

Who owns your body? You or the government?

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

The medical journals (God Bless their souls) referred to these as "monsters".  
 

I was all set to tag your claim as a lie. I decided to run a Google search even though your claim seemed ridiculous. Seems your claim has merit. The fact the medical community (which are supposed to be educated, caring people) would refer to an infant as a monster is pretty atrocious and unbelievable. 
 
I am glad that you do not see abortion as a form of birth control. 

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

All of us would do well to heed the simple words of Pope Francis "be kind to one another"
 
Homosexuality is not natural.  It is a deviation from the normal rule of nature.  All life is hard-wired to procreate otherwise the species would become extinct. 
 
I don't have a problem with homosexuality (we all have different tastes in the bedroom) but why the insistence on using every opportunity to publicly identify themselves as homosexual?  I don't preface every comment by proclaiming myself as 'the heterosexual airlineforums poster' nor do I expect entitlement payments from society because of my personal tastes.
 
Responsibility and obligation for one's choices.  And yes, I am Catholic.  Now off to Mass.

I agree. Homosexuality is absolutely against nature. The joke is the gays are trying to get the government to legitimize it.

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

Not natural and yet people are born that way. Go figure.

Gays make this claim all the time. The flaw in your logic is that humans are not born with sexual urges. That portion of a person's life happens long after birth.

 

[KCFlyer]

I was all set to tag your claim as a lie. I decided to run a Google search even though your claim seemed ridiculous. Seems your claim has merit. The fact the medical community (which are supposed to be educated, caring people) would refer to an infant as a monster is pretty atrocious and unbelievable. 
 
I am glad that you do not see abortion as a form of birth control. 

 
You have to have lived it La.  I don't make **** up.  I was holding my wife in my arms when she read those words.  

 

[whatkindoffreshhell]

Being "kind" does not pay the bills. Equality is where it's at. Eighteen states and counting.

 

Sexual choice is kindness and separate from legalese/paying bills, which is business.
 
As an employee and taxpayer I am not in business to pay for others' sexual choices.
 
Twenty two states and counting have ruled that tax dollars should only support public education in the classroom and not extracurricular (i.e. sports, clubs etc).  It is inevitable that 100% pay-to-participate is coming so public school kids better start selling raffle tickets and fundraising, but I'm veering off-topic here.
 

I don't see homosexuals expecting entitlement payments.  They would just like the same benefits that a woman or man would receive on the death of their spouse...even if they thought they would live forever and didn't draw up legal documents...
 
 in the bedroom to be abhorrent....even though many men have their female wife perform oral sex and allow them to have anal sex with them.  Which is pretty much the same abhorrent behaviour. 

 
So draw up the legal document (will) which specifies a life partner as the inheritor.   Recently my youngest brother passed without a will (single, no kids) so I'm very familiar with this stuff.  After my mother-in-law died her son thought he could just claim all the assets without signing any forms.  Lazy boy. And he was the executor! For certain things in life you've just got to fill out some forms, like it or not.  
 
Nothing in the bedroom between two consenting adults is abhorrent.  Ask my wife :blush:

 

[Ms Tree]

There is zero peer reviewed medical data to suggest that sexual orientation is a choice.  You failed to indicate when you made the decision to be straight and why.  Did you try homosexuality and not like it?  Figured you would just do what everyone else was doing?
 
Why should someone have to fill out all the paperwork to change names, wills, inheritance when a marriage licence pretty much takes care of all that.  Legal name changes are not free.  With a marriage licence my wife did not have to pay anything.  No one questions her when she came to see me in a hospital.
 
The 14th is quite clear that laws must be applied equally to all.  If the state has no legitimate interest it cannot deprive people of equal access.  That is why 18 states have legalized marriage equality and why when it goes before the SCOTUS it will be federal law.
 
If I die, my wife inherits all our stuff, no will need.  Being single has nothing to do with it.  All single people would have to have a will if they wish designate how their estate is to be divided.

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

So your reasoning behind support gay marriage is what? So the partner can take the last name and they don't have to make a will? Foolishness.

 

[Kev3188]

How 'bout the pursuit of happiness? 

 

[KCFlyer]

So your reasoning behind support gay marriage is what? So the partner can take the last name and they don't have to make a will? Foolishness.

And you want to prohibit it because you can't stand the thought of a wiener in a bun.  

 

[KCFlyer]

What....did you ever know any boys when you were growing up that you might have called "sissy" or "pansy"?  Do you think that maybe they might have turned out to be gay?  And were they able to make that choice when they were kids and weren't even thinking about sexuality back then? 

 

[Ms Tree]

How 'bout the pursuit of happiness? 

The concept of equality is lost on the religious self righteous.  Lets propose a ban prohibiting Christians from getting married and see how they sequel.  They will say "but that's different" even though it's virtually identical.  
 
Actually there is one difference.  Religion is a choice.

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

What....did you ever know any boys when you were growing up that you might have called "sissy" or "pansy"?  Do you think that maybe they might have turned out to be gay?  And were they able to make that choice when they were kids and weren't even thinking about sexuality back then? 

Sissy and pansy? Looks to me like you are being influenced by the Hollywood branding of gays.