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SharoninSAT said:
 
 
Very good advice given and it couldn't have been 
said any better. Thanks xUT.
Take care KC,
Sharon
LUV you Sharon, but my church taught me how I was going to hell for this, or going to hell for that.  Today I am divorced, not because I wanted it.  But if I find a woman to spend my life with, I'm going to hell for that too...unless I pay the $$$ required to get my previous marriage  (which produced my most beautiful daughter) annulled (meaning it never happened).  I found a faith that tells me I am good.  That tells me my ex wife is good.  That tells me that there is a God who loves me, and who isn't taking notes to hold against me when I get to the next world. 
 
So, basically, as long as their saying what you want to hear, it's cool!
 
Ms Tree said:
Even a 13 yr old can understand it.  Why can't some of you get something that is so basic?
 
Oh I see, in your sick perverse world a 13 year old is mature enough to make a decision on this topic. Why don't you just join NAMBLA you freak, if your not a member already.
 
Earlier you stated your opinion on age of consent. Now your true colors are coming through.
 
KCFlyer said:
I found a faith that tells me I am good.  That tells me my ex wife is good.  That tells me that there is a God who loves me, and who isn't taking notes to hold against me when I get to the next world. 
So you basically found a hypocritical church that tells you exactly what you want to hear.
 
Good for you. Drink that Kool-Aid.
 
La Li Lu Le Lo said:
Oh I see, in your sick perverse world a 13 year old is mature enough to make a decision on this topic. Why don't you just join NAMBLA you freak, if your not a member already.
 
Earlier you stated your opinion on age of consent. Now your true colors are coming through.
Wow you are just plain twisted.  How on earth does a 13 yr old stating his opinion have anything to do with the age of consent to make decisions?
 
A religious zealot making a pedophile reference.  That's original.
 
Americans identifying themselves as “gay” or lesbian comprise roughly one to three percent of the U.S. population. Yet the homosexual movement — led by pressure groups like the so-called Human Rights Campaign (HRC) — represent, per capita, one of America’s most powerful and well-funded political lobbies. The HRC and the HRC Foundation alone have an annual budget in excess of $50 million.

The lobby seeks “protected” status for gays and lesbians through federal edicts such as “hate crimes” legislation and the Employment Non-Discrimination Act.

At a 1987 Homosexual “March on Washington,” the gay lobby put forth the following demands:
  • “The government should provide protection from discrimination based on sexual orientation in employment, public accommodations and education just as protection is provided on race, creed, color, sex, or national origin”: This would force all religious business owners, landlords and schools to abandon — under penalty of law — sincerely held and constitutionally protected religious beliefs.
  • An "anti-homophobic curriculum" should be implemented in the schools: This was a call for government-mandated, pro-homosexual indoctrination.
  • “The government should ensure all public education programs include programs designed to combat lesbian/gay prejudice. … Institutions that discriminate against lesbian and gay people should be denied tax-exempt status and federal funding”: This meant that many churches, religious schools, and religious businesses would not qualify for tax-exempt status.
  • “Public and private institutions should support parenting by lesbian or gay couples”: This has been mandated in numerous states such as California and Massachusetts. In Massachusetts, Catholic Charities’ adoption service was forced to close down because it refused to assign children to homosexuals for adoption.
In their 1989 manuscript, After the Ball: How America Will Conquer Its Fear and Hatred of Gays in the 90s, Harvard-educated marketing experts Marshall Kirk and Hunter Madsen meticulously laid out the homosexual lobby’s blueprint for success in what is widely regarded as the handbook for the "gay agenda." They devised a three-pronged approach that included the following major strategies:

(1) Desensitization: “Desensitization,” wrote Kirk and Madsen, means subjecting the public to a “continuous flood of gay-related advertising, presented in the least offensive fashion possible. If ‘straights’ can’t shut off the shower, they may at least eventually get used to being wet.” As the authors put it, homosexuals should be portrayed as the “Everyman.” “In no time,” they said, “a skillful and clever media campaign could have the gay community looking like the veritable fairy godmother to Western Civilization.”

(2) Jamming: “Jamming” refers to the public smearing of Christians, traditionalists or anyone else who opposes the gay agenda. Wrote Kirk and Madsen: “Jam homo-hatred by linking it to Nazi horror. Associate all who oppose homosexuality with images of ‘Klansmen demanding that gays be slaughtered,’ ‘hysterical backwoods preachers,’ ‘menacing punks,’ and a ‘tour of Nazi concentration camps where homosexuals were tortured and gassed.’"

Kirk and Madsen added: “In any campaign to win over the public, gays must be portrayed as victims in need of protection so that straights will be inclined by reflex to adopt the role of protector ... The purpose of victim imagery is to make straights feel very uncomfortable.” In a related move, the authors and their ideological cohorts began to smear anyone who disagreed with their agendas as “homophobes,” “hatemongers,” and “bigots.”

(3) Conversion: Kirk and Madsen called for the “conversion of the average American’s emotions, mind, and will, through a planned psychological attack, in the form of propaganda fed to the nation via the media.” "In the early stages of any campaign to reach straight America," they said, "the masses should not be shocked and repelled by premature exposure to homosexual behavior itself. Instead, the imagery of sex should be downplayed and gay rights should be reduced to an abstract social question as much as possible. First let the camel get his nose inside the tent — and only later his unsightly derriere!"

Kirk and Madsen actually admitted that their task was to manufactured a "gay civil rights" movement founded on the premise of widespread homosexual victimization.
 
Adapted from "Unmasking the 'Gay' Agenda," by Matt Barber 
(February 13, 2008).
 
Still think gay marriage is not a political agenda?
 
Yep.  Its called equality and you have lost the fight against it.  There are 18 states and counting that allow same sex marriage.  You can use your version of religious hatred all you want but the majority of people now see through it.  
 
Ms Tree said:
Wow you are just plain twisted.  How on earth does a 13 yr old stating his opinion have anything to do with the age of consent to make decisions?
 
A religious zealot making a pedophile reference.  That's original.
What on earth makes you think he is "qualified" to even give his opinion on the subject matter?
 
 
What are the requirements to be qualified to give an opinion?  
 
You guys have yet to provide a legal argument to prevent same sex marriage. Whether it is political or not is irrelevant. A political reason is still not an excuse to deny equality according to the law.
 
Ms Tree said:
Consent. Look it up.

What is it with you guys. Rational thought eludes you and you go straigbt for bestiality and incest?

Still avioding the question. What is morality and whos standard do we use?
Before you were saying this.
Ms Tree said:
What are the requirements to be qualified to give an opinion?  
Now your saying this. Flip-flop much.
 
Ms Tree said:
I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.
 
Ms Tree said:
What does her being a 'beard' mean?
This is just Ms Tree playing dumb. He could have looked it up on Google in less than five seconds.
 
No one else found it odd that someone who argues about everything despite having no knowledge or relevant information on the subject (a narcissist LOVES to be heard) would ask a question about a statement who's information is so easy to find? 
 


Ms Take said:
Obama and I are both experts on every single thing ever.
 
La Li Lu Le Lo said:
 
Americans identifying themselves as “gay” or lesbian comprise roughly one to three percent of the U.S. population. Yet the homosexual movement — led by pressure groups like the so-called Human Rights Campaign (HRC) — represent, per capita, one of America’s most powerful and well-funded political lobbies. The HRC and the HRC Foundation alone have an annual budget in excess of $50 million.

The lobby seeks “protected” status for gays and lesbians through federal edicts such as “hate crimes” legislation and the Employment Non-Discrimination Act.

At a 1987 Homosexual “March on Washington,” the gay lobby put forth the following demands:
  • “The government should provide protection from discrimination based on sexual orientation in employment, public accommodations and education just as protection is provided on race, creed, color, sex, or national origin”: This would force all religious business owners, landlords and schools to abandon — under penalty of law — sincerely held and constitutionally protected religious beliefs.
  • An "anti-homophobic curriculum" should be implemented in the schools: This was a call for government-mandated, pro-homosexual indoctrination.
  • “The government should ensure all public education programs include programs designed to combat lesbian/gay prejudice. … Institutions that discriminate against lesbian and gay people should be denied tax-exempt status and federal funding”: This meant that many churches, religious schools, and religious businesses would not qualify for tax-exempt status.
  • “Public and private institutions should support parenting by lesbian or gay couples”: This has been mandated in numerous states such as California and Massachusetts. In Massachusetts, Catholic Charities’ adoption service was forced to close down because it refused to assign children to homosexuals for adoption.
In their 1989 manuscript, After the Ball: How America Will Conquer Its Fear and Hatred of Gays in the 90s, Harvard-educated marketing experts Marshall Kirk and Hunter Madsen meticulously laid out the homosexual lobby’s blueprint for success in what is widely regarded as the handbook for the "gay agenda." They devised a three-pronged approach that included the following major strategies:

(1) Desensitization: “Desensitization,” wrote Kirk and Madsen, means subjecting the public to a “continuous flood of gay-related advertising, presented in the least offensive fashion possible. If ‘straights’ can’t shut off the shower, they may at least eventually get used to being wet.” As the authors put it, homosexuals should be portrayed as the “Everyman.” “In no time,” they said, “a skillful and clever media campaign could have the gay community looking like the veritable fairy godmother to Western Civilization.”

(2) Jamming: “Jamming” refers to the public smearing of Christians, traditionalists or anyone else who opposes the gay agenda. Wrote Kirk and Madsen: “Jam homo-hatred by linking it to Nazi horror. Associate all who oppose homosexuality with images of ‘Klansmen demanding that gays be slaughtered,’ ‘hysterical backwoods preachers,’ ‘menacing punks,’ and a ‘tour of Nazi concentration camps where homosexuals were tortured and gassed.’"

Kirk and Madsen added: “In any campaign to win over the public, gays must be portrayed as victims in need of protection so that straights will be inclined by reflex to adopt the role of protector ... The purpose of victim imagery is to make straights feel very uncomfortable.” In a related move, the authors and their ideological cohorts began to smear anyone who disagreed with their agendas as “homophobes,” “hatemongers,” and “bigots.”

(3) Conversion: Kirk and Madsen called for the “conversion of the average American’s emotions, mind, and will, through a planned psychological attack, in the form of propaganda fed to the nation via the media.” "In the early stages of any campaign to reach straight America," they said, "the masses should not be shocked and repelled by premature exposure to homosexual behavior itself. Instead, the imagery of sex should be downplayed and gay rights should be reduced to an abstract social question as much as possible. First let the camel get his nose inside the tent — and only later his unsightly derriere!"

Kirk and Madsen actually admitted that their task was to manufactured a "gay civil rights" movement founded on the premise of widespread homosexual victimization.
 
Adapted from "Unmasking the 'Gay' Agenda," by Matt Barber 
(February 13, 2008).
 
Still think gay marriage is not a political agenda?
 
 

Ms Tree said:
You have never responded to anything.  All you do are hurl insults.  You have yet to back up any of your BS with any facts or sources. (Actually i quote sources very frequently)  You cloak your hatred of women, gays and who knows who else in some twisted religious BS that you cherry pick and ignore all the things that do not support your vitriol.  You are on the losing team.  Kids in catholic schools are protesting, 18 states accept same sex marriage, and more will follow.  Hatred is losing and you just can't stand it.
 
Exactly. Political agenda.
 
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