Getting Ugly In Phl

[NeedForSpeed]

Gee, 14 pages of crap.  Here's what needs to be done:

1.) Scale back PHL, spread more connecting traffic through other hubs, will save millions in fuel costs and make the flying experience better for the customer. 
2.) Give workers in PHL the tools they need to work with.
3.) Management needs to respect contracts.
4.) Unions need to let management work with them to find out what the solutions to problems are.
5.) There is no old USAir, America West, Piedmont, PSA, Trump, Allegheny, Mohawk, Lake Central everybody has to dump their "old airline issues" and start anew.
6.) If you don't like any of the above it's time for a career change.  Unfortunately, the good ole' days are long gone in the U.S. airline industry.

[post="309064"][/post]​

EYE......Now 18, going to 19!!!!! Jesus!!...I think this post sums up this thread pretty well......This thread is turning into a circus........MODS.......Time to LOCK this one....

EYE....I personally like #6.........GOOD DAY!!!!

 

[hp_fa]

HP:

Unions are morally bankrupt. They are soul less
entities that only deal in black and white
and they don't care one bit about the
customer, or the company that pays
the wages of the rank and file.

[post="309324"][/post]​

Isn't that just a little overly harsh?

As I said elsewhere, I like to pick battles that are worth the time and effort in fighting. Had I suspected that the intent of management been to violate the contract I would be agreeing with some other folks. However, I don't see harm in this case.

 

[PITbull]

You'll never see the die hard unionistas
from US give up the fight to preserve
their outdated contracts and wages.

With union members, it really is all
about them
The union crackpots on this forum are all
mouth and no action. Don't let them get
the best of you.

[post="309324"][/post]​

I find you amusing... 😛

 

[700UW]

Well after being told 5 days in a row not to do it, the intent is very clear.

 

[700UW]

Outdated contracts?

Spin,

Guess you dont follow that all the contracts are less then one year old.

Don't let the facts get in your way.

 

[CLTBWIDAYSYR]

HP:

You'll never see the die hard unionistas
from US give up the fight to preserve
their outdated contracts and wages.

They just don't understand that it's NOT
about their contract, it's about doing the
right thing for the customer, which in turn
keeps their paychecks coming. Unions
are morally bankrupt. They are soul less
entities that only deal in black and white
and they don't care one bit about the
customer, or the company that pays
the wages of the rank and file.

[post="309324"][/post]​

While I might not always be the biggest fan of what organized labor does from time to time, I am still a member of a union and am thankfull overall for what the American Labor Movement has been able to accomplish over the past century.

Unions have given far more to the average American than their detractors would ever admit to. The five day workweek? Thank unions. There was no "weekend" before labor stepped in. Federal safety regulations designed to keep you free from injury at work? Thank unions. The vast majority of aircraft cabin safety regulations that help save the lives of customers and crew? Thank unions. The list goes on.

And lets not forget the most important reasons unions exist at all: big corporations profited off the sweat and blood of its poorly paid workers and viewed the employee as expendable as the Sunday paper after it's been read.

 

[700UW]

Well said!

 

[diogenes]

Yep and seen the corruption they really are. To bad they can't get audited by the Feds.

[post="309303"][/post]​

Really? Every bad apple in America got put in the union sack?

While I am second to no one in due criticism of unions, my experience was different.

I found the union to be no more, or no less corrupt than corporations, churches, schools or the local PTA.

There were dedicated folks, doing far more than their compensation warranted. There were hangers-on and folks living high off the dues-paying members, too.

Do unions need to reform and re-invent themselves? Sure, right along with corporate BOD's and management, the church and the local PTA.

And FWIW, the unions have to file reports with the DOL every year, and ARE subject to audits. Particularly with the current DOL secretary, who never met a union she liked.

 

[700UW]

Last time I checked, Ken Lay, the Rigas' and the Tyco executives were not members of a union, and lets not forget Worldcom.

 

[Art at ISP]

You know what people? I have seen enough. This whole thread and the incident which started it are an embarrassment--to the airline industry, to US Airways, to the majority of the fine people who work there, and to their loyal customers. IT DOESN'T MATTER WHOSE FAULT IT IS--IT SHOULD HAVE NEVER HAPPENED!

We have expended the energy of 18, almost 19 pages of spewing venom back and forth, and for what?? If BOTH sides spent some of this energy on fixing the problem, we'd all have a better airline and work environment. Bottom Line--PHL is broken, and it appears no one can fix it. So what to do?

Like the Christmas meltdown, there is fault on both sides. If the HP folks were asked 5 times to not do the bags, they should not have, but should have noted the attitude as part of the problem. Granted, PHL is understaffed and underequipped, but perhaps these people were there to experience it first hand. God forbid they should try to understand the problem so they could attempt to fix it.

Most of you know I am no fan of unions, and unfortunately this is an excellent example of why they need to change. Cross utilization and cooperation is a fact of life in today's business environment. If you can't or won't grasp the concept, move on. As many times as the CBA's have been broken by management, they have been broken by labor much more often--by lazy workers who disappear when there's work to be done. I realize and admit it's the minority in PHL, but it is a very visible minority, and it affects the overall situation drastically. The appearance is that the union's goal is to get paid as much as possible for as little productivity as possible. Did anyone ever think that this attitude is why outsourcing came to be in the first place? Did anyone ever think if everyone worked smart instead of working hard, there'd be no need to outsource? That perhaps management would have gotten their money's worth and not had to look elsewhere?

I have mentioned this before--arriving at a gate, ready to be parked, just to see 5 or 6 rampers on the next gate, eating or reading newspapers, refusing to help because the next gate is not their zone. It's infuriating. YOU HAVE TO WORK TOGETHER, FOLKS, or the place is doomed to failure.

So where do you go from here? I am no expert, but one thing yells out--there has to be change on BOTH SIDES. There are many good people in PHL, but the few bad apples make quite a stink. They need to go. The union needs to realize it's in their best interest to stop protecting the slackers and troublemakers, and get them out. If you want to work fine...if you don't want to work for WHATEVER reason, get out.

On the management side, give them the tools and the people they need to do the job right. Let them work smart. Make it possible for PHL to succeed.

That said, if nothing changes, bring PHL down--move International and Caribbean flying to another hub, and let it go. PIT is a much more suitable hub airport than PHL ever was.

It's a sad day when you see a thread like this go on and on and on....Stop the whining and work on the problem. If you can't or won't, MOVE ON.

On another thread there's a poll regarding whether or not employees are willing to do what's necessary, or just what their contract says. At last count it's about 4 or 5 to 1 in favor of doing what needs to be done. To the 17 or so who voted to just do what the contract says, I suggest you move on--your attitudes will doom this company.


With all due respect, folks, enough is enough. If you don't want to be part of the solution you're part of the problem.

 

[PITMTC]

Do not judge what is going on in PHL or the company by how many pages or posts were added to this thread. It never indicates the true attitude at the new U. Just click on "replies" and see who posted the most and how many and you will see that on this board, the same people have been spewing the same old thing, while hard workers are out there getting the work done.
It is just an indicator that some things will never change while other things go on.

 

[Art at ISP]

PITMTC,

I happen to agree with you completely.

 

[delldude]

Do not judge what is going on in PHL or the company by how many pages or posts were added to this thread. It never indicates the true attitude at the new U. Just click on "replies" and see who posted the most and how many and you will see that on this board, the same people have been spewing the same old thing, while hard workers are out there getting the work done.
It is just an indicator that some things will never change while other things go on.

[post="309417"][/post]​

see your name too chopper...

 

[PITMTC]

see your name too chopper...

[post="309435"][/post]​

Not 30 or 33 times, and unless you have not noticed, your antics and jokes are getting old along with your boy's same old rhetoric. The employees at the new U are trying to move on. Step aside or get on board. There is no space for drag.

 

[luvn737s]

Well after being told 5 days in a row not to do it, the intent is very clear.

[post="309370"][/post]​

Why did they (HP) feel the need to do anything after the first day if the US ramp had obeyed their orders. I don't think HP mgt was forced to load their own airplanes when CO worked the PHL flights.

Sounds to me like the US ramp was given 5 days to find a belt loader and basically blew off the HP trainers.

Do you think among the furloughees you'd find a crew that would obey direct orders from their superiors? They may get the chance.